Tuesday, April 2, 2019

Fall Book Update


Ok, it's looking more like I can do it in 144 pages, which should make it a little cheaper for y'all.

Anyway still Fall 2019, and still stay tuned.

77 comments:

Luke K said...

I like the waning candles. It's a puzzle, right?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Luke K

Yeah--it has a puzzle element--it's something that has to be figured out by players one way or another.

You can probably figure out at least what the set up is by looking at the spread.

Anonymous said...

Wow !

T said...

Looks cool!

Anonymous said...

Lots of detail crammed in there! Looking awesome. Also, I hope the supers game is still a go.

Anonymous said...

Ditto on the supers game.

Lothar Tuppan said...

Looks awesome Zak! And here's another person still looking forward to your Supers game.

Jim Havoc said...

Looks great! Keep us posted.

Linda Maria said...

Is the superhero game still happening?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Linda Maria

If you fight for it.

Cutter said...

Looking forward to it, and Demon City.

Linda Maria said...

@Zak Sabbath

In this case, how do you mean fight for it?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Linda Maria

Post in the RPG forums and other places where the false allegations were made and point out they've been disproved. Contact the administrators of the various entities that've gotten involved and tell them they need to help out. Work to deplatform the people who supported the harassment.

Saci said...

I am curious, What kind of stuff did you cut to fit better in 140 pages? And it will be system neutral or it will use lotfp as your other works?

Zak Sabbath said...

@saci

I didn't cut content, I just decided on a larger format overall--so the book will have larger dimensions. I figured it'd be more usable at the table for this particular content at that size.

It will be system-agnostic, like Maze of the Blue Medusa

Anonymous said...

"Work to deplatform the people who supported the harassment."

So, fucking everybody in the OSR, then? Because you were quite thoroughly rejected by a lot of people. Are you declaring war on the OSR? On Skerples? Geist? Scrap? Patrick? McDowall? Milton? Is that what this is? Because that's what this sounds like.

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

Of course, yes. I was very clear: Bad actors must face accountability. Not just inside the OSR but outside as well--anyone in the RPG sphere who supported the false accusations must be deplatformed.

I mean: when people say that crooked cops should go to jail are they "declaring war" on them? That's some wild rhetoric--but the fact is: there should be consequences for doing bad things.

Come on--this is kindergarten stuff.

Anonymous said...

"Come on--this is kindergarten stuff."

Okay, sure, but my question is more, what exactly this looks like to you? All those people banned from Gen Con, and every sight? No safe harbor? No selling books on DTRPG? In a sense - getting what you got? Is that what you're actively encouraging people to do here?

And why are you comparing crooked cops to people that don't like you?

Zak Sabbath said...

@anonymous

the consistent conflation of “people who got caught not telling the truth” with “ppl who don’t like you” is a bad faith tactic and you should publicly apiligize for doing that.

as for the consequences: they should publicly apologize or face far worse consequebces than what you outlined.

people who lie or don’t fact check should be pushed out of all intercourse with other people

Anonymous said...

"people who lie or don’t fact check should be pushed out of all intercourse with other people"

Absolutely. That is exactly what is happening too.

To you.

Zak Sabbath said...

@anonymous

then provide proof that i lied

also you still havent apologized for your conflation

you must do those things in your next post or be erased

Zak Sabbath said...

@anonymous

you assume wrong

no good person sends traffic to harassment sites

Anonymous said...

Your blog is filled with pictures and videos of your harassers. Are you going to take them down eventually?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

It's clear from even this short comment that you don't really know what you're talking about and are just dogpiling.

This blog is not "full of" videos by any means, and the only photos of my harassers here would be some photos of Mandy from years ago and a few other gamers who jumped on her bandwagon--mostly on like one Gen Con post.

At any rate i won't delete them until this is resolved, to prevent any suspicion of tampering with evidence on my blog.

Anonymous said...

"At any rate i won't delete them until this is resolved,"

What constitutes "resolution" to this matter, in your view?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

The same as the resolution of any other false accusation.

Mandy and the other harassers publicly apologize, or are deplatformed or otherwise face decisive accountability (fines court orders, etc) for harassing and smearing me and the various RPG platforms forced into disavowing me undo that.

Again: duh.

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

Fwiw it seems like (hard to tell) you ask these questions and are constantly surprised by the answers.

If this is not true--ignore what follows in this comment. If it is true, then try a mental experiment: Imagine you yourself are falsely accused in a way that gets in the way not just of a hobby business you have on the side, but also fucks up the lives of lots of your friends.

Imagine that situation actually occurs. Imagine that now.

Then ask yourself: What do you do next? What do you want next?

I don't think any of my answers are too far off what any person would do in that situation: I'm going to fix the problem and undo the harm.

Anonymous said...

By the way, I will check for your reply to that message, but I will not post on your blog again, out of respect to you.

After reading your reply, I will move on from your blog altogether.

Zak Sabbath said...

@anonymous

Your question contained false claims, therefore you lose your right to get an answer or comment here.

If you want to insist I have no self awareness or have "harmed" anyone then you must provide evidence.

Taking an activist stance is not a "lack of self awareness", and calling out bad actors is not "harm".

If a Nazi kicks you in the stomach and you tell people that's not "harm"--no matter how sad it may make the Nazi.

Anonymous said...

Feel free to delete my other comments on this post as well.

I'm out.

Anonymous said...

"Mandy and the other harassers publicly apologize, or are deplatformed or otherwise face decisive accountability (fines court orders, etc) for harassing and smearing me and the various RPG platforms forced into disavowing me undo that."

I'm kind of interested to know who has reached out to you, like, Gen Con, and said "sorry zak it's not you it's them."

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

Well since they did take the trouble to get in touch and say so, the various people who said "Yeah, sorry, for my career's sake I have to bow to the harassment campaign" I don't want to get them in any more trouble than they're already in at the moment.

These were difficult conversations for the folks involved, because thy had to weigh their own career vs what they knew to be true.

However: please do hold me accountable for my claim. There may be circumstances in the near future where it's ok to talk about and won't hurt anyone unnecessarily.

Anonymous said...

Who is publishing this book? Are you?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

The publisher would prefer not to be harassed so is remaining quiet for the moment

Anonymous said...

Ah, you're still counting on this having blown over by fall 2019?

Zak Sabbath said...

@anonymous

It's impossible to say, but things will definitely have progressed by then due to what's going on now. At any rate there's no advantage to announcing the publisher early and there's a definite advantage to them being able to work in peace without having a hatemob attacking them 24/7.

Zak Sabbath said...

@anonymous

not sure what "blown the fuck out" is supposed to mean in this context but since it might be a personal attack on people i deleted it.

If it isn't you're free to clarify your meaning and re-make the comment.

Anyway, as always: all morally and legally valid ways to address the current wave of harassment and create accountability for those responsible are being attempted, beginning with the least disruptive first. Those have to be given time to work.

Zak Sabbath said...

@anonymous

Re: deleted comment. Yes, so an inaccurate statement and it was good it was deleted.

Conversation is not a competition and it's not accurate to describe it that way.

Anonymous said...

No, it's a courtroom, yes?

Zak Sabbath said...

@anonymous

No, but depending on the topic, it has certain analogous parts.

For instance if you're discussing "What's your favorite color?" it's not like a courtroom

If you're discussing like whether a company paid the people working there a fair wage or not--an issue with real-world consequences and implications, where the people talking may take morally-significant action based on it--then it should be more like a courtroom, since, just as a court can inflict real-world consequences on a subject with its judgment, so can a group of people in a discussion of a commercially-relevant issue.

Anonymous said...

zak i have a question

Why are you like this?

Why do you keep doing this? What part of apologizing and moving on is too hard for you? Why do you need to pursue grudges? What do you gain from endless pointless arguments?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

Short answer: Because I'm innocent and neither insane nor stupid. If someone walks up and kicks you in the head repeatedly, seeking to make them face accountability for that is not "holding a grudge"--its the most basic kindergarten level justice-seeking and self-preservation.

Long answer:

Your question inaccurately presumes either one of two things--

1. I did something wrong so should just apologize.

Since I didn't do anything wrong, that makes no sense plus it would be morally gross to let various aggressors go unpunished and remain unaccountable for falsely accusing me. That only encourages more people to try to hurt their enemies by inventing false accusations.

OR

2. Even if I didn't do something wrong, accusations which hurt basically everyone you know, your income, your future prospects in the world and which set a terrible precedent for everyone coming after are a petty and minor thing and you should just let them go and live in the new, shittier world they create.

I don't know what kind of conflict-averse nerdworld you live in, but I'm not going to accept that for a minute and no halfway-decent person would.

Zak Sabbath said...

@anonymous

as for "pointless arguments"

Outside a fiction context, every reader deserves to read nothing but the truth or as close as we can get. We fail other people when we let a lie go unchallenged, especially in a space where we have influence.

If someone lies, someone needs to show up and fact check. That's civics 101.

Anonymous said...

And you think people care enough to take up your cause? Your reputation has proceeded to levels you never imagined and now you're seeing how karma truly plays out when you make one too many enemies.

You're a lesson to us all Zak. One, that will never be forgotten.

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

If karma plays out I will be sitting pretty soon, as I've only "made enemies" (i.e. upset) shitty people. And, of course, none of this is over.

-------

But, really, let's take a moment and assume (since you're commenting around the same time the next day or so) that you're the same Anonymous who commented yesterday.

Does it bother you --as a human, as a person, as someone interacting with another person--that this same cycle repeats over and over:

You make an accusation

The person you're accusing addresses it

You don't acknowledge the response and change the subject to a new accusation.

Does this pattern bother you? If not, why not?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

She hasn't filed anything and there's no order of any kind.

Does it bother you that you make such inaccurate assumptions?

And of course there's no "ammo" to be used against me and my hair is great.

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous (april 27)

Nobody's allowed to post misinformation on this site, so your comment was deleted

Anonymous said...

how does it feel, unironically, to become a meme content creator on the level of the pundit? You will always have supporters, but lots of people in the OSR won't ever touch you with a ten foot pole. You've hurt so many people with the events of February. Like I'm actually genuinely curious how you feel about being ostracized harder than ever before. I know this shit isnt new, but this is different from before.

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

That part is nice.

I always felt a little responsible for these folks--I wanted this guy to do well, I wanted that guy to do well, I felt like it was important that people see that so-and-so's work is more than meets the eye.

Now that so many of them have proved to be just random hivemindy nerds under the surface I can stop worrying about them and concentrate on what I have to do.

As for the money--RPGs were never my main business and I suspect Demon City will make wayyyyy more than the drama llamas think--especially after the story develops and some accountability starts to happen. They want this to be a story? It'll be a fucking story.

Anonymous said...

A story....game, if you will?

Anonymous said...

I for one just want to know exactly what the hell your thought process was in releasing AR&PL with basically no content in it. That's not a troll post, you literally release settings with two(!!!) clearly defined areas and then just cut and print it. What's the deal with that? Shouldn't you have provided more than literally two locations? I feel like your book is a rip-off.

Anonymous said...

If we're asking questions, why the hell did Frostbitten and Mutilated have such a boring bestiary? Wolves? Pigs? Snakes? What was the deal with that?

Zak Sabbath said...

Ah good questions!

@anon 1

I fear you've been ripped off. If you read a book with "two(!!!) clearly defined areas" or "literally two locations" you didn't receive a copy of Red & Pleasant Land, you received some other book and were deceived by some scalawag into believing this was the award-winning, best-selling Red & Pleasant Land. Perhaps a cover was switched on you. Anyway: seek the perpetrator.

@anon 2

James wants LotFP to be low fantasy, so even though F&M has the Necrobutcher, Nidhoggr, Bjara et al, rather than fill the Devoured Land with traditional monsters I included nasty versions of ordinary animals--as in myths.

And in playtests I've found actually pretty fun when a 6th level party starts realize a pack of wolves will rip them to shreds and they start to respect wolves and--sometimes--bargain with them.

Your mileage may vary. If you don't like it, replace them with traditional monsters on the encounter table--or don't buy it.

Anonymous said...

Hey, different guy than than the last two. I don't know if it's awkward or rude to ask this, but I have been wondering since the announcement that Raggi won't be reprinting your work if you had any plans for reprinting it yourself. Obviously with the LOTFP logos and stuff removed.

Not to say you have to, of course, considering its still available in PDF and stuff, and I'd totally get if you wanted to just move on with your next project instead of focusing on all that.

Curious to see what this new book you're working on is!

Zak Sabbath said...

@anon

Its never rude to ask questions. It's rude not to--the person who, when they have a question, runs off to some forum rather than asking the person who knows needs to apologize, not you.

Anyway:

Raggi severed ties with me basically because:

1. Pushback from Mandy's hatemob, and

2. Links in the supply/distribution chain fell for her hoax, making it harder to sell new stuff through them

...leaving him with a pretty shitty choice.

He still has and sells the old stuff--by the time current stock of my LotFP stuff runs out and a new printing is called for, there will have been several major new developments in the Mandy Not Telling The Truth And Gamers Being Stupid Enough To Believe Her situation, which very likely will change the size of the hatemob and the attitude of the supply chain.

If not, there are other publishers who are interested.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for getting back to me so fast! Thought I'd at least have to wait till tomorrow.

Also, thanks for the 'it's not rude to ask questions,' I was worried it might be a sensitive subject and it put me off asking for a bit. Thanks for straightening out the situation!

Glad to hear that things are looking up! I look forward to those developments happening. Truth is important, and I look forward to the facts being straightened out. I've seen some people using all this as a pretext to get back for old grudges, and even some brazenly admitting/boasting to it on public forums, and I've found all that (plus their melodramatic posturing) a bit sickening.

Anonymous said...

It's good to hear that you have other publishers interested in your work. I hope this means I Am the Weapon and other projects will see publication. Attempts to fight for your projects or show support on other boards are met with downvotes, locks on threads, and threats to ban, unfortunately....

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

If someone gives you trouble, email me: zakzsmith AT hawtmayle . If you meet only with resistance, it's still good to have a record of attempts to suppress facts or evidence or even just to suppress fans discussing the work. As things are progressing quickly its very likely it'll come in handy soon.

Good places to post are:

Twitter (especially responding to popular hatethreads)
the OSR discord
reddit/rpg
reddit/osr
Enworld
RPGnet

I promise I'm not just going to give up on games, they're fun, the girls and me are still having fun rolling, and I have a lot of projects half-finshed that'll come out. This'll be a chaotic time, but when it's over a lot of the worst things about the online game scene will have changed for the better.

Anonymous said...

One of the best things I saw vis-a-vis I Am the Weapon (I think on a G+ thread) was when you wrote of alternate dimensions and how in a given realm things might seem perfectly normal...except that Vincent Price is president.....

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous (deleted)

first-strike personal attacks and misinformation are against the rules so your comment was deleted.

As for locations: there are 2 big dungeons on pages 84-131 and three more fleshed out locations on pgs 133-138.

It's a best-seller at LotFP. Check their site.

And as for telling people to take a stance against defamation and libel and harassment in the RPG community in every available forum: activism isn't "childish". Change is good and needs to happen.

Zak Sabbath said...

@new anon (deleted)
it’s not the content of the post that got it deleted it’s the person who posted it. A person who recounts that bad things happened with glee or approval is obviously a bad actor and should not be posting on the Internet anywhere

Anonymous said...

Who would you like to win a lawsuit against most?

Or maybe the question should be, who do you need to win a lawsuit against most, so that the other dominos fall?

If you cannot answer, due to your legal counsel's advice, that is understood.

Anonymous said...

Kind of interesting your last post on reddit is a list of people who took some pretty major shits on you last month. You reccommend them, they do this in return..

Anonymous said...

That was fast! :D

Anonymous said...

"Mandy and the other harassers publicly apologize, or are deplatformed or otherwise face decisive accountability (fines court orders, etc) for harassing and smearing me and the various RPG platforms forced into disavowing me undo that."

So is there any particular reason why a Satine Phoneix, who publically endorsed you as an abuser, is capable of redemption, yet Scrap Princess and Patrick Stuart, who you've removed from your sidebar, aren't? If Satine only signed on for you condemnation to save herself, it sounds like you're saying you're okay with someone lying if it's to save their career. Why the merciful stance on something you've pretty categorically condemned in the past?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

I never made any claims about who is "capable of redemption". I was simply telling you what I knew at that point about Satine and her motives. You're doing the dumb-online-gamer-nerd thing of assuming instead of asking, which is one way people got themselves into this mess.

To wit: anyone willing to apologize fully and publicly for their participation in this harassment campaign is "capable of redemption". Anyone who doesn't, isn't.

Definitely stay tuned.

Anonymous said...

While it's nice to be labeled a "dumb online gamer" you were much more forward in apologizing for Satine's actions rather than Scrap or Patrick's. You also deleted my original comment talking about this. I also didn't quote you on "[capability] of redemption" so I'm not exactly sure why you're quoting me there.

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

Let's take a look at what you just said:

"You were much more forward in apologizing..."

I didn't apologize at all. Satine's actions were totally evil and wrong--just like the actions of anyone else who supported Mandy's false claims. That doesn't mean she herself can't apologize and improve and cease to be evil later.

Here's what you did wrong:

You read something I wrote about Satine, and you read something I read about Scrap and Patrick and you didn't remember the specifics, you instead came away with a _general impression of what you guessed my intended tone was_ and then made a comment about that.

While tone exists and _perceived_ tone can sway public opinion (since a lot of the public is stupid), no intelligent person would judge another (especially morally) based on a _guess_ about their tone. They'd first do whatever they could to check the intent of the statement and the effect of the statement since they all should know judgment of tone is fuzzy.

Pronouncing a moral judgment on someone comes with a duty to actually do things check if that judgment is true. Otherwise you're basically holding everyone a loaded gun and asking them to shoot anyone they like with it--which is pretty much the status quo in the RPG scene: If you don't like a statement or product, you accuse the creator of moral crimes, and you do nothing to check and if you turn out to be wrong nothing bad happens.

Here's what I actually believe:

Scrap, Patrick, and everyone else on the planet who supported Mandy's claims is bad and should face accountability for having done that and I am taking steps--wholly within the bounds of the law--to make sure that does actually happen this time.

Accountability can take a variety of forms:

If you apologize publicly, that's accountability. This is the best and mildest outcome.

If you have your career impacted, that's also accountability. Much harsher.

If you get sued and fork over cash to your victim, that's accountability. Even worse.

If you get sued, get on the stand, claim your false thing is true, get prosecuted for perjury and go to jail for a little bit, that's accountability. That's probably the worst.

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Scrap and Patrick did different things than Satine, though, and if you want to cease to be a stupid gamer nerd you'll try to grasp this difference:

Scrap and Patrick made false claims about my non-Mandy-related behavior and _also_ promoted Mandy's bullshit. Scrap (for instance) claimed I said tone didn't exist, and Patrick claimed I "would not survive the rules you impose on others." and that I argued dishonestly and (weirdly) seemed to imply I _didn't think I was agressive_ (I am, of course, aggressive--bad actors shold be pursued aggressively)--maybe that means something different in England.

Satine said a different thing, which may make her better or worse depending how you view it. Satine said she observed nothing wrong in my behavior but supports Mandy's claims anyway.

So you might say "Wow she admits seeing nothing but is still defaming this guy, that's worse" or you might say "Well at least she didn't pile on additional brand-new libel".

Either way, Satine claims no specific knowledge of me doing anything wrong so any argument claiming she does is invalid.

Either way: don't assume things. Ask. I'm right here.

Anonymous said...

...are you on the spectrum?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

No, but the audience for online RPG material includes a lot of people who are on the spectrum, or who instinctively spin any information that comes at them to their emotional advantage ("if I call someone out it's calling them out, if you call someone out, it's harassment"), or who willfully misread tone, that it's good to explain things in a very clear and literal way at all times.

Zak Sabbath said...

@erased anon

You're not allowed to lie in the comments.

If you have evidence you think proves your false statement true, provide it. So far nobody's ever presented a single link or 'cap where anybody claims to be another person, especially me.

Anonymous said...

What did Wundergeek ever do to you?

Anonymous said...

Is that armsinthewronghands page seriously a collection of your complaints against people you have had internet arguments with?

What the fuck is wrong with you? Seriously?

Do you not understand how mentally irregular that is?

Zak Sabbath said...

@Anonymous

Like victims of harassment are _explicitly told to do_ by all antiharassment resources--crash override, hollaback, etc, I record the harassment that I get.

Also like all activists, I make accusations.

And like anyone trying to be good, I have_evidence_ to back up accusations I make.

If this strikes you as "irregular" or wrong:

1. you have some fucked-up social norms going on wherever you hang out, and

2. you need to go yell at all the people who have lists of complaints about me

Zak Sabbath said...

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@Anonymous

Wundergeek repeatedly and falsely accused me of harassing them and of being sexist. Wundergeek is a liar. Proof: https://armsinthewronghands.tumblr.com/post/148469806573/anna-kreider-wundergeek

There are interesting twists in your question though:

-You suggest someone would have to be evil _to me_ rather than to some other victim in order to be worth calling out. Anna's first victim was Hyun Tae Kim, not me and I first called Anna out for attacking him. It is disgusting that I had to do that and that no-one else did it first, especially people in Anna'a social circle. If someone is mentally ill and saying Nazi shit, it shouldn't be up to me and only me to call them out--Anna's friends should've done something and in later years should've apologized for not doing it sooner. Anna was being a monster, saying Kim should lose work for making art that wasn't as conservative as Anna wanted--everyone Anna knew should've immediately been alarmed and done something, The entire RPG scene should've deplatformed Kreider immediately if Anna refused to apologize for spewing propaganda like that-Anna might as well have said Jews shouldn't be allowed in the same hotels as gentiles. It's very bizarre how much more eager the scene is to deplatform people for crimes they can't prove than for ones they can.

-Also note, people are constantly alleging arguments involving me somehow start because someone's criticizing _me_ . This is actually rarely true--they start because someone's unfairly attacking some third party and I step in (usually because nobody else will). In this case it was Hyun Tae Kim, in another is was Anna and Ben Lehman attacking James Des (who was a dick, but not the kind of dick they were saying--though the urge to lie about rape is pretty strong in the RPG scene), with Something Awful they kept attacking the OSR in general, people attacked Kiel Chenier, Contessa, Raggi, Kingdom Death, etc. And none of the major luminaries in the RPG scene did shit about these right-wing attacks on creators. Monte said nothing, Mearls, Hite--nobody. So I did.

Anonymous said...

Are you going to Sue Mandy or anybody else?

Zak Sabbath said...

@ erased anon

Posts containing misinformation are deleted. Your questions are addressed above: "So far nobody's ever presented a single link or 'cap where anybody claims to be another person, especially me."