tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post8450081585457806847..comments2024-03-19T16:24:23.777-07:00Comments on Playing D&D With Porn Stars: Do Games Make You Bad?Zak Sabbathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-67282234665188740132022-02-15T09:43:12.629-08:002022-02-15T09:43:12.629-08:00@FredR
I don't know what "this" is ...@FredR<br /><br />I don't know what "this" is in your comment and I don't think you told me it would happen since I'm unaware of us ever interacting before today.<br /><br />Please say what "this" is.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-83069772978415386652022-02-15T09:39:32.429-08:002022-02-15T09:39:32.429-08:00Sir please stop trying to kill me with LOLZ :)
Wh...Sir please stop trying to kill me with LOLZ :)<br /><br />When your enemy is now trying to pretend they were on your side the entire time and their past actions did not occur. Quietly take them outside and hand them a shovel. Tell them to be quick about it, or you will get angry. <br /><br />I believe I told you this would happen. How did I know history is always repeated by fools and idiots. Everyone forgets this is not the first go around of SJW Wokeism. It's not even the 2nd time. FredRhttps://lamentationsmystara.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-66859242721478757062022-02-11T21:39:31.031-08:002022-02-11T21:39:31.031-08:00yepyepZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-7091443011437166612022-02-11T21:39:25.295-08:002022-02-11T21:39:25.295-08:00yepyepZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-61270747106692431872022-02-11T21:35:11.786-08:002022-02-11T21:35:11.786-08:00While it's certainly true that some of the gua...While it's certainly true that some of the guards were assholes (they're everywhere, after all), that doesn't account for all of their behavior. Given that some accounts state that the researchers might have actually *encouraged* abusive behavior, that certainly would have affected the interpersonal dynamics you mentioned. <br /><br />And yet, nothing in the study *required* the guards to perform abusive behavior--they would still have gotten paid if they completed the study. I think that, however, as in so many other areas where awful human behavior is observed, many/most of the guards could have thought it was easier to go along to get along. <br />Steven A. Torres-Romanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02650781519887703680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-8471581741504821882022-02-11T21:16:24.237-08:002022-02-11T21:16:24.237-08:00One part of the Stanford prison experiment that pe...One part of the Stanford prison experiment that people don’t talk about is that everybody was paid.<br /><br />The “prisoners” were paid to be there, the “guards” were paid to be there— I am not sure that the guards Felt that they would keep getting paid if they stopped doing whatever they thought was expected of them.<br /><br />also if you watch the film it’s pretty clear that at least one or two of those guard dudes were just fucking assholes and I’m not sure of the interpersonal dynamics they had with the other people would’ve made it difficult for the other guards not to follow their lead.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-74278993581710778632022-02-11T21:10:48.734-08:002022-02-11T21:10:48.734-08:00For the record, I do not think that roleplaying a ...For the record, I do not think that roleplaying a character that performs evil acts makes the person doing the roleplaying become more evil or more likely to perform those acts in real life, any more than I believe that authors or actors who write about or take on the roles of evil people warps them and causes them to be more likely to perform evil actions.<br /><br />That said, as this topic has come up repeatedly in the decades I've been running and playing RPGs, I have wondered if the infamous Stanford Prison Experiment might be applicable to this discussion.<br /><br />If anyone reading this is unfamiliar with the Stanford Prison Experiment, detailed information on this topic is just a Google search away. <br /><br />In essence, it did demonstrate that roleplaying a fairly defined social role (in this case, prisoner or prison guard) did lead to significant observable changes in behavior on the part of the roleplayers - over time, the "prison guards" increasingly demonstrated particularly cruel and abusive behavior.<br /><br />I think it's also important to note that the participants were randomly assigned their roles, so that *might* eliminate the assumption that people who were already likely to be abusive individuals gravitated to the prison guard roles of their own accord. However, the original advertisement that the participants responded to mentioned a prison study, not merely a psychological study, so that might have increased the likelihood of more abusive individuals showing interest.<br /><br />I personally think that the extreme condition of an enclosed environment (participants were confined to a given space throughout the experiment) might have been a significant factor. It has been argued that the guards' behavior was expected in that role, and perhaps subtly encouraged or at least condoned since the "guards" faced no consequences or correction--the experimenters didn't intervene until the study was prematurely ended.<br /><br />Also, it was a pretty small sample size. <br /><br />This clearly unethical study cannot be replicated, so there's no real way to compare data with later iterations.<br /><br />Other factors may have contributed as well.<br /><br />Still, I thought I'd mention it.Steven A. Torres-Romanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02650781519887703680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-46546994988596419952022-02-11T03:31:59.267-08:002022-02-11T03:31:59.267-08:00It's the old argument of "People do X and...It's the old argument of "People do X and it makes them want to bad things" versus "People who wanted to do bad things all along and occasionally did X grasp the opportunity to do bad things provided by Y". <br />I knew some science fiction/fantasy writers who turned out to be disgusting evil people, and I'm pretty sure writing wasn't the thing that made them that way. It still made me wonder back then. Simon Tsevelevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17713339519093556701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-39358689771457983862022-02-10T14:21:06.601-08:002022-02-10T14:21:06.601-08:00Thanks for helping me arrive at a much more reason...Thanks for helping me arrive at a much more reasonable conclusion!<br />It was definitely one of those things that I thought, then just tossed around in my head for ages without really examining or communicating about it, so then when I had to actually defend it, it became quickly obvious my statement was not factual.<br /><br />It was like an horrible pearl, instead of a gemstone. Instead of intense heat and pressure (actual introspection and outside communication) leveraged to create my statement, the original statement was formed through irritation from a little grain of sand (bad experiences).<br />Becami Cusackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07217505009455196473noreply@blogger.com