tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post7196582096520742912..comments2024-03-28T22:00:35.840-07:00Comments on Playing D&D With Porn Stars: Dear Angry Gamers, I Am Calling Your BluffZak Sabbathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-58922588832848351822014-09-05T04:13:31.268-07:002014-09-05T04:13:31.268-07:00It is very simple:
Tracy (for one) Hurley retweet...It is very simple:<br /><br />Tracy (for one) Hurley retweeted a lie. She has also lied about me.<br /><br />Ditto Fred Hicks: he also lied.<br /><br />They have chosen neither path which might make them _not shit_ :<br /><br />-Apologize for doing that.<br /><br />-Appear in public and defend their action _completely_ with no question unanswered about why they thought this was justifiable<br /><br />These actions are evil.<br /><br />Further: _they indicate people whose judgments in the future cannot be trusted_.<br /><br />So: <br />1-They are evil<br />2-They cause a practical problem because in the future if they address any person or cause, we can't trust their judgment--they are crying wolf over important issues like sexism and prejudice. It makes the conversation worse and slower and makes genuine activism harder.<br /><br />They have done wrong. They have made no effort to redress it. They can fuck off.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-72785127472469068052014-09-05T04:06:35.926-07:002014-09-05T04:06:35.926-07:001a. You wrote: “We don't even need to discuss ...1a. You wrote: “We don't even need to discuss a person after they did that”. But you have also written things that I interpreted as “Not participating in this donation-motivated question-answer–session is evil”. Which, if that’s what you do mean, doesn’t make sense to me.<br /><br />1b. “they are already consigned to hell untilt hey apologize”. This is part of the fear of discussing with you. The fear of making a mistake, being deemed evil and being in hell. I’m trying to tread carefully.<br /><br />2. I did not say that I thought SA was somehow better or even partially redeemed. I will probably never accept them or want to be associated with them. That wasn’t the point of why I mentioned their donations up. (I was only trying to say that money is leaving the table, money that <em>wouldn’t</em> have left the table if yours had.)<br /><br />3. Valuing feelings over cause <em>in a specific instance, under particular circumstances</em> is not in itself evil. Weak? Maybe so. Heaven knows I am. Failure as a human? Even if so, that’s not the same as evil.<br /><br />4 & 5. Agreed. But 4 & 5 are not what I disagreed with in the first place.<br /><br />6. I’m an outsider to this. It seems to me that the main “bad guys” are SA and Hatfield.<br /><br />From what I know <em>so far</em>, I’m not ready to throw out Hurley and Hicks with that bathwater. But I don’t know all details nor do I have all pieces to the puzzle. Nor do I really want to. I get frustrated, I see people misunderstanding each other.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-48299716138843593172014-09-05T02:49:37.628-07:002014-09-05T02:49:37.628-07:00None of that made any sense:
1. Retweeting the ar...<br />None of that made any sense:<br /><br />1. Retweeting the article is evil. Everything after that is bonus evil. We don't even need to discuss a person after they did that: they are already consigned to hell untilt hey apologize.<br /><br />2.No matter how much money Something Awful donated, they still left all this money HERE-- _a thousand dollars on the table for their cause by not answering questions_.<br /><br />So you are 100% wrong about that making them somehow better. <br /><br />3. This simply _proves they value their feelings more than their cause_ and are not real activists.<br /><br />4. It also proves they are so unsure of their attack, they refuse to answer questions.<br /><br />5. There is no "debate on my terms". These are courtroom terms, recognizable by any court in the world and by any scientific organization--you get asked a question, you answer it. When you accuse someone of hate crimesand appeal to the court of public opinion to punish them for said crimes (which they did), you incur courtroom terms.<br /><br />There is no "debate". Simply: You accused, you must now explain the accusation or be shown a liar.<br /><br />6. Tracy's actions (the retweet) make her evil. Alleged good deeds cannot undo an unrepented crime. She can have all the feelings she wants--causing undeserved harm to others can't be excused by having lots of feelings.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-9027003804946676142014-09-05T02:36:38.182-07:002014-09-05T02:36:38.182-07:00If you say Hatfield is evil according to you, I ha...If you say Hatfield is evil according to you, I have zero beef with that POV.<br /><br />If you’re saying that the lack of answers to your questions is the evil part, then I’d understand that, too.<br /><br />So I’m with you that lying and being full of shit is evil.<br /><br />But to that, you’re adding that not going along when someone says “Do [reasonable thing] and I’ll donate, if you don’t the lack of donations is on your evil hand” is evil.<br /><br />Can’t say that I agree with that. If that tactic should be good and legit for “[reasonable thing]”, why not for “[unreasonable thing]”?<br /><br />If that’s too “slippery slope” for you, think of it this way:<br /><br />It’s like a transaction. You offer something they want — donations to good causes — in exchange for something you want — a dialogue on your terms.<br /><br />They’re not obliged to take the deal.<br /><br />If someone said “Do [reasonable but not necessary thing] and I’ll donate.” and someone else said “No, don’t do that thing, then <em>I’ll</em> donate instead.” Then you’d have no choice — either way, some money is being left on the table and you become evil.<br /><br />That’s as long as the “[reasonable thing]” is something that’s reasonable but not necessary to do.<br />If the evil part is not doing the thing — in this case, not giving the answers — then that’s the problem. Not the lack of donations.<br />Then you’re saying “Do [extremely necessary thing] and I’ll donate”. In which case it’s the necessity of the thing itself that makes the lack of it evil.<br /><br />Is that what you’re saying here — that the lack of answers is the evil part?<br />Or is it still the donations-on-the-table that is evil?<br /><br /><br />In the links you posted about their reaction to this blog post, someone mentioned that even that horrible horrible Something Awful was going around and donating to the Trevor project in response to this. Which means that at least some money has “left the table”.<br /><br />As for the answers. You are always good at answering with brevity and clarity. Not everyone can live up to that, especially during a lot of duress, but I agree with the ideal. As I said, I didn’t know that Tracy retweeted Hatfield’s article, which was wrong, but I’ve seen a lot of very strong attacks on her so I would understand it if she needed a break from this. She's done good things, too, and so have you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-32857863456279913532014-09-05T02:00:49.092-07:002014-09-05T02:00:49.092-07:00Again:
_Feelings_ do not overcome the facts.
That&...Again:<br />_Feelings_ do not overcome the facts.<br />That's the whole problem here: people want to FEEL like it's ok to lie and be full of shit and not help out their cause because they are sad.<br /><br />Because they are too busy FEELING they don't notice the _actual_ damage they are causing.<br /><br />Their inability to see past their feelings to the real damage is what makes them selfish and evil.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-67550929028028810362014-09-05T01:58:26.157-07:002014-09-05T01:58:26.157-07:00I didn’t know that Tracy retweeted that horrible a...I didn’t know that Tracy retweeted that horrible article. That’s too bad. She does a lot of great things for D&D, such as working on the Tome Show.<br /><br />I think there’s a big difference between: “Would you please answer these questions” (followed by a list of questions) vs being presented by “If you do what I want, I’ll donate. If you don’t, you’re wholly evil”.<br /><br />In the first scenario, I might acquiesce.<br />In the second scenario, I would rebel and not want to participate. Even if the questions were reasonable. Feeling forced to do something is a big repellant. I’m not sure whether or not emotions beat dollars when it comes to directing our decisions. In this case it seems that emotions won out.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-64299071946301220392014-09-05T01:49:37.099-07:002014-09-05T01:49:37.099-07:00It is _wholly_ evil not to participate.
Emotions ...It is _wholly_ evil not to participate.<br /><br />Emotions don't beat dollars.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-38426615864293079222014-09-05T01:48:54.707-07:002014-09-05T01:48:54.707-07:00The "feeling" of being "turned off&...The "feeling" of being "turned off" does nothing to deal with the fact that Tracy Hurley, Lyndsay Peters, Wundergeek et al just left money on the table.<br />Nobody's "feelings" can ever overcome that: rather than simply _answer questions about what they allegedly believe in public_ (a harmless act that cannot hurt them if they believe what they say) and _materially aid a cause they claim to believe in_ they preferred to hide and make smug analogies.<br /><br />They failed as humans.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-7466719864445913642014-09-05T01:35:40.312-07:002014-09-05T01:35:40.312-07:00 I really wish that this conversation had happened... I really wish that this conversation had happened.<br /><br />The least anyone can say is that there has been a lot of really weird goalpostmoving directed towards both you and Pundit, and it came at the worst of all possible times, both because we all wanted to celebrate 5e and because Mandy was in the hospital.<br /><br />I think the “Do this thing, and I will donate to charity” tactic turns people — including me — off. It’s reminiscent of — even if there are differences — when Trump said he’d donate 5 million to see Obama’s college papers (or whatever it was). I don’t think it’s evil not to participate.<br /><br />I donated $10 to the LA Downtown Women’s Center. That’s all I got — I have debt and my income is weird.<br />I understand that you didn’t ask that of me — I was not involved in this. I don’t even have a twitter, tumblr, G+, or FB account.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-13109812172588409192014-08-13T17:45:23.209-07:002014-08-13T17:45:23.209-07:00"1) threatened to effectively blacklist anyon..."1) threatened to effectively blacklist anyone who"...<br /><br />-WTF Hawk. What does this even mean? Did Zak threaten to ban people from his blog that he who he thinks are jerks? Isn't that his fuckin' prerogative? The rest of your post is equally mind shatteringly missing the point entirely.<br /><br />OH MY GOD!!! Zak, you have the patientice of a saint to deal with people like this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-61308953633931274702014-08-12T23:31:15.969-07:002014-08-12T23:31:15.969-07:00Damn, now I wish I had retweeted Tom Hatfield'...Damn, now I wish I had retweeted Tom Hatfield's article just to take part in this.Mike Pohjolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02776913557950034051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-81296983601288401622014-08-12T16:01:05.723-07:002014-08-12T16:01:05.723-07:00Zak, while I'm not a significant internet pers...Zak, while I'm not a significant internet personality I totally support your cause and love the way you're calling out your opponents on this bull-pucky. Unfortunately I don't think they're gonna have the stones to step up on this one, but I suppose that will also be a win in your column. Keep up the great worksDukeofOrangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02260658048434275236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-73229576979629462292014-08-11T11:50:24.935-07:002014-08-11T11:50:24.935-07:00Ok, re-examining it seems not to be an out-and-out...Ok, re-examining it seems not to be an out-and-out lie but just _leaving out the obvious reason he was ineligible_<br /><br />Which is creepy.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-35122322413514651392014-08-11T10:55:15.590-07:002014-08-11T10:55:15.590-07:00For the record game designer Cam Banks also tried ...For the record game designer Cam Banks also tried to collect money for his cause without meeting the requirements--he didn't RT the article.<br /><br />He then lied about the reason why (I guess to make me seem crazy, IDK):<br />http://i.imgur.com/gITThsB.pngZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-47861027400017459092014-08-11T05:35:56.119-07:002014-08-11T05:35:56.119-07:00this is so hardcore omg
like im bored of all this...this is so hardcore omg<br /><br />like im bored of all this drama but short of a knife fight this is the most badass way to confront peoplespikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17429845269865401908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-12209264916190827162014-08-10T21:31:06.962-07:002014-08-10T21:31:06.962-07:00You only have 42 followers.
It looks like you didn...You only have 42 followers.<br />It looks like you didn't read the rules.<br /><br />Bye.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-84189111298968815362014-08-10T21:27:18.224-07:002014-08-10T21:27:18.224-07:00None of the above, sorry. My twitter(@peregondusoi...None of the above, sorry. My twitter(@peregondusoir) is used primarily for my writing tumblr. <br /><br />And if your loved ones are down, that's fine. I respect that support. What I'm challenging are your actions and responsibilities, not their support. But I said my peace. I wish you well.Hawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14917416216597024850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-70696335437539138342014-08-10T21:19:39.926-07:002014-08-10T21:19:39.926-07:00Say your twitter name and link to your retweet of ...Say your twitter name and link to your retweet of Tom Hatfield's article or else state that you are Ettin, Wundergeek or Schmelz.<br /><br />P.s. My loved ones support this course of action fully, and if you don't agree you can ask them.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-76680150336178990352014-08-10T20:56:32.703-07:002014-08-10T20:56:32.703-07:00Short version? I've read both sides of this no...Short version? I've read both sides of this nonsense and even if you weren't a problem before, you became one the second you 1) threatened to effectively blacklist anyone who liked, shared, or endorsed your opponents, and 2) started THIS particular game of 'wounded gazelle' ego sopping.<br /><br />If you feel blameless? Move on. You are making an unprofessional joke of yourself and using your loved ones to do it. Not cool.<br /><br />So? 10 to your local LGBT center, please.Hawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14917416216597024850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-72842948324608132232014-08-10T20:02:55.800-07:002014-08-10T20:02:55.800-07:00I don't understand, Hawk.I don't understand, Hawk.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-58678856441385422562014-08-10T20:00:00.444-07:002014-08-10T20:00:00.444-07:00http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2014/08/dear-...http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2014/08/dear-angry-gamers-i-am-calling-your.html?zx=2d7a5bf4872ab118<br /><br />LGBT center, please.Hawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14917416216597024850noreply@blogger.com