tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post5232289425948918103..comments2024-03-19T16:24:23.777-07:00Comments on Playing D&D With Porn Stars: What Really Happened To Vampire 5e, Chapter Three: Is There An Idiot In Any Village Who Trusts Little Finger?Zak Sabbathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-34733397866943367452021-05-11T04:12:35.521-07:002021-05-11T04:12:35.521-07:00Also Robert Bohl et al basically doxxed Mandy, pub...Also Robert Bohl et al basically doxxed Mandy, publishing the court documents that mention her real name (though they also linked to her gofundme with the same name - don't know if she wants people to know it? From what I heard, it's dangerous for a sex worker). Simon Tsevelevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17713339519093556701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-29757982142942046482021-05-10T23:31:27.156-07:002021-05-10T23:31:27.156-07:00@mike
that's why you always screencap first
...@mike<br /><br />that's why you always screencap first<br /><br />but thanks for trying mikeZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-55702567245283429202021-05-10T23:27:28.916-07:002021-05-10T23:27:28.916-07:00they blocked me. Oh well. just the usual, someone ...they blocked me. Oh well. just the usual, someone was selling ARandPL on Facebook Marketplace and people were doing the "don't buy this book the guy is a nazi" bullshit spiel. called me a f*g and blocked me when i told them to knock it off and stop lyingmike Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-9134579520045676802021-05-10T22:50:19.917-07:002021-05-10T22:50:19.917-07:00@mike M
Screencap the lying, fact-check it if you...@mike M<br /><br />Screencap the lying, fact-check it if you can, with links and screenshots of anything they got wrong.<br /><br />If they don't apologize and change their mistake, screencap again, then email me everything you know to: zakzsmith AT hawtmayle dawt calm.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-64517081805173724992021-05-08T17:10:14.882-07:002021-05-08T17:10:14.882-07:00@simon
and I DID say if anyone was doing it they ...@simon<br /><br />and I DID say if anyone was doing it they should stop.<br /><br />Like: it's recorded in the screenshot<br /><br />https://armsinthewronghands.tumblr.com/post/650593097267429377/olivia-hill-frequently-claims-i-threatened-herZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-67572611329170250322021-05-08T17:06:57.029-07:002021-05-08T17:06:57.029-07:00@Kyle T
Not to mention it is absurd and cannot po...@Kyle T<br /><br />Not to mention it is absurd and cannot possibly be taken seriously by a reasonable person. "He didn't ask people to stop doing this" just does not equal "he wants people to do this". I fail to understand how there is anything to debate about the issue. Even if you don't know that Hill is a liar and makes lots of irrational statements. Even if you don't know that Zak is a normal person and wouldn't threaten someone. <br />It just doesn't make any sense. Simon Tsevelevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17713339519093556701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-91487246728040958572021-05-08T16:53:36.546-07:002021-05-08T16:53:36.546-07:00@kyle T
Also the idea that "never call out b...@kyle T<br /><br />Also the idea that "never call out bad actors because the bad actor might be harassed" would lead to situations literally nobody (including Olivia Hill) wants:<br /><br />Olivia calls people out all the time.<br /><br />That would make all journalism basically impossible.<br /><br />Plus all communication about anything important.<br /><br />----<br /><br />Some people try to escape that by going "don't call anyone out if your fanbase is known to harass people". Again: that would lead to the same outcomes as everyone with any platform gets harassed all the time. It would again make journalism or conversation about anything important impossible.<br /><br />-----<br /><br />Some people try to escape that by saying "don't call out bad actors with smaller followings" but:<br /><br />-Again that's nto a rule they follw, and<br /><br />-They don't call out larger accounts for breaking it if they agree with them, and<br /><br />-That creates a situation where no-one can use their large platform to help people.<br /><br />---<br /><br />It's all a dodge though: Olivia says these things to distract from what started the conversation--she is a liar, it's been proved repeatedly and conclusively and she just doesn't want to be called out on itZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-40631497761322353202021-05-08T16:17:30.025-07:002021-05-08T16:17:30.025-07:00@kyle T
She was lying. The post explicitly decrie...@kyle T<br /><br />She was lying. The post explicitly decried all threats:<br /><br />https://armsinthewronghands.tumblr.com/post/650593097267429377/olivia-hill-frequently-claims-i-threatened-her<br /><br />Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-19507895679201356772021-05-08T16:13:48.285-07:002021-05-08T16:13:48.285-07:00I remember having a very long debate with another ...I remember having a very long debate with another person about what Simon mentioned above re: "Because the text focused on my kids and not me he is clearly omitting me and wants you to attack me."<br /><br />First, I don't think there's any way any such post would have been construed as a good-faith rejection of defense on your part when the interpretation was coming from a bad actor.<br /><br />Second, why do people assume public figures on the internet have any real measure of control over their followers?Kyle Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-7174462059097440782021-05-08T02:27:17.197-07:002021-05-08T02:27:17.197-07:00@floppa
Erased. Misinformation is not allowed on ...@floppa<br /><br />Erased. Misinformation is not allowed on this site. Criticizing bad actors is not harassment and is, in fact, necessary and good.<br /><br />If you believed you received this message in error, email zakzsmith AT hawtmayle dawt calm and give proof.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-54102034422457872962021-05-08T02:22:07.955-07:002021-05-08T02:22:07.955-07:00The Vampire 5e timeline looks also to be during 20...The Vampire 5e timeline looks also to be during 2016-17 extensive OSR migration to Google+. I know by around those years I ceased participating in older, established gaming forums or Reddit/Facebook groups.<br />A bad omen for what lay ahead when Google+ shut down and Discord OSR (which seemed to scoop up Google+ users) was uniformly moderated by anti-Zaxxers. But I digress.Matrox Luschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01087871508197025467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-60016361424672332862021-05-07T23:07:14.836-07:002021-05-07T23:07:14.836-07:00@simon
Nothing remotely sarcastic or joking:
http...@simon<br /><br />Nothing remotely sarcastic or joking:<br />https://armsinthewronghands.tumblr.com/post/650593097267429377/olivia-hill-frequently-claims-i-threatened-her<br /><br />WHY DO PEOPLE TRUST LITTLE FINGER???Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-4503387649732610772021-05-07T23:01:02.302-07:002021-05-07T23:01:02.302-07:00re:Hill:
I did a little digging some time ago. I ...re:Hill: <br />I did a little digging some time ago. I was impressed by the explanation Hill gave on "why I know it was Zak": "Zak asked people not to attack my kids. This means Zak wants people to attack me personally". <br /><br />Or, to quote it, <br />"And, once it came out how his fans were threatening my kids, he put up a sarcastic, joking post to his fans telling them to stop threatening my children. I'll note, he told them to stop threatening my children. Which as far as I'm concerned is a direct admission that he endorses the attacks against me. Just not my kids". <br />Proof: <br />http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/general/off-topic/1050412-white-wolf-hires-zak-smith-im-out/page4#post1051226Simon Tsevelevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17713339519093556701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-63021339597009871782021-05-07T22:59:46.927-07:002021-05-07T22:59:46.927-07:00@simon
Nah appreciated. I think they should work ...@simon<br /><br />Nah appreciated. I think they should work nowZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-30841232430365705722021-05-07T22:54:29.985-07:002021-05-07T22:54:29.985-07:00There seem to be some more problems with the links...There seem to be some more problems with the links. <br />"who were at that point supposed to be the kernel of the creative end of the project" - broken link, ends up in my own blogger account)<br />"(they didn't like her work, remember)" - broken link<br />"have" " admitted they knew they weren't true" - two identical links, maybe were supposed to be like that? <br /><br />It's kind of technical stuff I just wanted to point out to you, so you can leave this comment hidden if you like. Simon Tsevelevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17713339519093556701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-63034681502795193212021-05-07T22:45:14.715-07:002021-05-07T22:45:14.715-07:00@Simon
Ah, thank you for catching that.
I wanted...@Simon<br /><br />Ah, thank you for catching that.<br /><br />I wanted to linkt o a specific post that April, not april in general Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-59721146780149010622021-05-07T22:39:22.149-07:002021-05-07T22:39:22.149-07:00I think there's a glitch or something, the lin...I think there's a glitch or something, the link from the word "doxxed" leads to the whole April of 2016 collection of your posts, and though I was pleased to re-read about Lovecraft (I have a Lovecraftian disgust of all things game-of-throney) and about Casablanca (I disagree with a lot of things that you wrote there and I love Casablanca and I can talk about it for hours), but I think you meant to link to some proof of SA members being bad people. <br />Back to reading. Simon Tsevelevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17713339519093556701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-66095612668728301282021-05-07T18:35:32.975-07:002021-05-07T18:35:32.975-07:00@anon
sorry, no anonymos comments allowed@anon<br /><br />sorry, no anonymos comments allowedZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-39408087869685501212021-05-07T17:16:06.776-07:002021-05-07T17:16:06.776-07:00@TabelleCasuali
That is what all fans say:
"...@TabelleCasuali<br /><br />That is what all fans say: <br />"my presence on the internet is very limited"<br /><br />Either you change that or things you like from the internet goes away.<br /><br />It's very simple.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-84524693091064294952021-05-07T17:11:30.217-07:002021-05-07T17:11:30.217-07:00Ok. If the internet can get you fired, it should a...Ok. If the internet can get you fired, it should actually have the opposite effect.<br />However, I admit it is not really my world since my presence on the internet is very limited. I follow a few blogs and attend only one forum (Italian moreover) and I'm not used to reading direct attacks. It happened to me only a couple of times (Raggi accused of Nazism and you of being a bad person) and in both cases I had my say: in the first everything was resolved well, in the second a little less. I admit, however, that I have not particularly insisted. Why? Bho, maybe laziness and / or lack of desire to argue. You're right: not only do the fans not organize themselves, they don't even really want to stay behind the bullshit of those who hate (although this obviously has terrible consequences for the victims, as even these last articles of yours demonstrate).TabelleCasualihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557221916351149307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-74508583593007623442021-05-07T16:27:37.702-07:002021-05-07T16:27:37.702-07:00@TabelleCasuali
A lot of specific gates that were...@TabelleCasuali<br /><br />A lot of specific gates that were closed would not have been.<br /><br />That's not an opinion: that's a fact. People cited unopposed online attacks as their reason for doing bad things.<br /><br />Gatekeepers make decisions because -the public is not enforcing consequences on them for doing otherwise- .<br /><br />If the path of least resistance is hurting an innocent person, they hurt them. People online are that resistance.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-35926919831196249952021-05-07T16:23:07.012-07:002021-05-07T16:23:07.012-07:00Ok. So in your opinion, if a certain number of peo...Ok. So in your opinion, if a certain number of people had responded to the accusations immediately, the industry would have made a different decision and not kicked you out? Which, if I'm not mistaken, is what you have been clamoring for for a very long time.TabelleCasualihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557221916351149307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-59053699569301252322021-05-07T16:11:27.719-07:002021-05-07T16:11:27.719-07:00@TabelleCasuali
You are right it is a small group...@TabelleCasuali<br /><br />You are right it is a small group of people--<br /><br />remember in Chapter one the number of people who joined in the harassment campaign was maybe 600 people, and the folks who signed the petition in favor of the game were over 2000 and -sales were fine-<br /><br />The problem is: Haters organize. Fans don't.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-51005441048391218822021-05-07T16:08:07.426-07:002021-05-07T16:08:07.426-07:00I still find it absurd that the "army of the ...I still find it absurd that the "army of the internet", which I believe - perhaps wrongly - is only a fraction of the players, can influence the industry so much.TabelleCasualihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557221916351149307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-68867114687355149022021-05-07T12:45:59.431-07:002021-05-07T12:45:59.431-07:00@Em Vrsek
The worst part was this:
I wasn't ...@Em Vrsek<br /><br />The worst part was this:<br /><br />I wasn't 100% sure I wanted to stop painting and work on Vampire full-time for a year, so losing the job wasn't murder by any means.<br /><br />The WORST part, of all of this, is that when I talked to gamers I knew about it, they didn't see any of this as urgent.<br /><br />Patrick Stuart was like "Well when you wrote that article about Hill it made her look crazy but the fact you bothered to google them and check what they said over the years made you look crazy too" and it's like: who -cares- how I look? This is a criminal harasser willing to do anything out to get your writing partner and they're not at all being recognized as a threat, it's not being taken seriously, they're still getting work and retweets and have a whole forum behind them. What part of this isn't seeming like a 4-alarm fire.<br /><br />The community showed it could get together and do things and yet when the abuse is clear as day on paper they didn't do shit. And got angry at me for pointing it out.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.com