tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post4723161172398088608..comments2024-03-19T16:24:23.777-07:00Comments on Playing D&D With Porn Stars: The Nazi GamesZak Sabbathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-49109482026189453102016-02-06T18:38:50.197-08:002016-02-06T18:38:50.197-08:00That's as vague as not answering the question ...That's as vague as not answering the question at all.<br /><br />What exactly qualifies as " presents Jews as inferior or as bad people because they are Jews."?<br /><br />Can a clear description of that be given?<br /><br />Also:<br />"presents Jews as inferior"<br />and<br />"present views that are hostile or hateful towards Jews"<br /><br />are miles apart.<br /><br />For example: <br />In The Wire there is one Jew: he is a corrupt, greedy stereotype (Leavy--the lawyer) the first time we see him he's babbling about brisket.<br /><br />This does not "present views that are hostile or hateful towards Jews" (in fact nobody in the whole 5 season of the Wire even mentions opinions about Jews). It presents zero views about JEws.<br /><br />It does, however, depict a Jew. That Jew sucks in a very stereotypical way. It very arguably presents A single Jew as inferior or as a bad person because he's a stereotype and possibly because he's a Jew. Does it depict _Jews as a group_ that way?<br /><br />But what it unarguably does is simply present a possible reality without context.<br /><br />Which is all to say: you've typed different (nonmatching) definitions of anti-Semitic fiction without describing what qualifies as "anti-semitic content in fiction".Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-89691880619343228832016-02-06T18:22:11.519-08:002016-02-06T18:22:11.519-08:00Other than the obvious "It actively argues fo...Other than the obvious "It actively argues for hatred of Jews or Jews are inferior", I'd say if it presents Jews as inferior or as bad people because they are Jews. This is about as complete of a definition that I'm capable of. There's still going to be a grey area, though. (E.x. all Jewish characters portrayed in this story are bad people, but that's presented independent of their Judaism)WrongOnTheInternethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307593854612561638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-86316748738284715652016-02-06T16:06:31.965-08:002016-02-06T16:06:31.965-08:00Yeah you haven't described how to know a ficti...Yeah you haven't described how to know a fiction has taken views and "framed them as correct".<br /><br />Although you apparently have changed your mind.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-7945667894617604082016-02-06T14:30:17.403-08:002016-02-06T14:30:17.403-08:00I'd say the context there is that it's som...I'd say the context there is that it's some random dude on a bus saying he hates Jews. In context, who cares what some guy on a bus thinks about Jews? If the guy's views are framed as correct, then it becomes antisemitic. <br /><br />I think this does narrow my definition, though. "Presents views hostile or hateful towards Jews putting them in a context where the views are framed as correct." Hmm... I think that's a better definition, but I'm still not satisfied. It leaves a grey area of, "The main character's views are racist, but there's no way of telling if these views are intended to be portrayed as correct or if they're just presented as an aspect of the character, without comment." I think there's a better, more precise definition, but I'm not able to think of it right now.WrongOnTheInternethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307593854612561638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-84526730759487533582015-12-10T18:31:44.750-08:002015-12-10T18:31:44.750-08:00On the flip side, you can say really racist stuff ...On the flip side, you can say really racist stuff to someone's face if they know you're not a crazy bigot and get a few laughs. The fighting game community, for example, is full of casual racism and that would upset a ton of people if you were anywhere else but nobody is ever actually offended by it in that community.<br /><br />By similar reasoning, I think ignorant portrayals of a culture or issue can be as good for that culture or issue as a well informed one. Stupid people are going to glean the easiest to remember facts at best and distill it to a moronic stereotype, while people who are much less stupid are going to be aware that there's something they don't know and look into it either way. I've learned a fair deal about autism since it became a standard 4chan insult.McCabrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09431339937327172881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-58154983172137679532015-12-10T18:21:42.766-08:002015-12-10T18:21:42.766-08:00Yeah, I was kinda short there. I was more trying t...Yeah, I was kinda short there. I was more trying to bring up the opposite point. I can invoke archaic forms of racism (e.g the way black people are drawn in tintin) without being taken seriously because they've lost their potency.<br /><br />I don't think "making Jewish people offended" is anti-Semitic. Claiming you're offended is easy. Being offended intellectually doesn't actually make your life bad. Making people believe and express anti-Semitic values and encouraging them to act upon them is definitely bad. Making our ideally inclusive hobby appear hostile to an entire demographic of reasonable people is also bad.<br /><br />But stupid people are going to get the wrong idea from things sometimes, and moral guardians are going to do the same thing except on purpose. Unless something is being made "for" them (eg marketed as an RPG for noobies but then is very nuanced in its handling of, say, anti-Antisemitism) then I don't think it's right to stifle the art form in case of idiots. Egregiously stupid people shouldn't have knives or matches but you can still buy them at the store.<br /><br />In regards to making not people play a game, in for example the WASPy game, I don't think that's an issue unless the WASPs you know are really mean or something. Not everything has to be for everybody. In much the same way I wouldn't mind if someone made a game that only Jewish people found compelling and everyone else found incredibly dull. The issue is only if every game is like that and people feel they can't participate. if a game makes reasonable Jewish people not want to play RPGs because they feel personally unwelcome in the community due to this game's content then we'd have to hang that game out to dry.<br /><br />Intent is weird, and a deliberately harmful intent, even if poorly delivered can still make you feel unwelcome and upset. Let's say I just made up a bunch of weird rude shit about jewish people and made it fact in my game to portray them as lesser, but far away from traditionally hurtful stereotypes. I think the clear hurtful intent would probably do just as much to create an unwelcoming, antisemitic environment as making all the Jewish characters villainous bankers with big noses.McCabrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09431339937327172881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-63699571732354372882015-12-10T18:16:56.193-08:002015-12-10T18:16:56.193-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.McCabrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09431339937327172881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-48404111085378653582015-12-10T11:13:03.597-08:002015-12-10T11:13:03.597-08:00Within your definition, if you have a fiction wher...Within your definition, if you have a fiction where there's a wide variety of characters (Moby Dick, Neuromancer, etc) and some minor character on a bus in the background of a crowd scene incidentally says "I hate Jews" then the work is antisemitic because:<br /><br />"Does the text present views that are hostile or hateful towards Jews without putting them in some sort of context..?"<br /><br />Yes it does. Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-1860644107991836902015-12-10T11:07:27.803-08:002015-12-10T11:07:27.803-08:00"Ultimately it needs to have a hurtful effect..."Ultimately it needs to have a hurtful effect"<br /><br />MEGA-vague.<br /><br />The examples provided gives different examples of "effects"--<br />-making people more anti-semitic<br />-making Jewish people not play a game<br />-making Jewish people offended<br /><br />...which, by your lights count as "effects" ? You didn't say.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-27166870352924424472015-12-10T11:04:50.173-08:002015-12-10T11:04:50.173-08:00"If the term "anti-semitic" actuall..."If the term "anti-semitic" actually signifies something different when it refers to speech, as opposed to a person, then it is clear that we cannot use author's worldview and intention to judge whether some artifact is anti-semitic. "<br /><br />Your argument is 'it is clear' that what you think is true is. No evidence? That's called a begging the question argument<br /><br />'<br />This is especially so, given that industrially produced products may have multiple authors with conflicting worldviews.<br />'<br />That's irrelevant in any of these examples which weren't produced that way, so it seems insane you'd bring it up.<br /><br />'Games with clearly anti-semitic statements are anti-semitic.'<br /><br />Circular--you haven't defined "anti-semitic statements". The important thing here is fiction v nonfiction. Can you even have an "anti anything statement" in a fiction? It's not an instruction manual. If so, under what conditions?<br /><br />"Things get complicated here though, because in the social sciences, causation is almost impossible to prove. "<br /><br />Again, you are falsely making the question more complicated for no reason. In the examples I provide, we know the cause. You're being asked to address THESE examples, not ones you made up.<br /><br />"stir up anti-semitism"<br /><br />Again: undefined term.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-18112200088773807942015-12-10T08:53:33.754-08:002015-12-10T08:53:33.754-08:00I think I wrote something on the original but eh.
...I think I wrote something on the original but eh.<br /><br />Ultimately it needs to have a hurtful effect, or at least a blatantly hurtful intent before you can really call something anti semitic. I mean "intent" in a different way than "the author tried to express his prejudiced worldview as correct" but rather "this passage is trying to make people think Jewish people are bad" whether or not it's actually succeeding. If we look at old depictions of black people in cartoons they're clearly racist but people aren't really hurt by those depictions anymore. Depending on context cues I can invoke that ancient ignorance in a modern work to express or mock those old sentiments.<br /><br />For most splits I'd just go "are people I think are smart offended or are people I think are stupid offended?" If someone chooses to be numb to tone and subtext and declare a nuanced work blatantly offensive, for example a story where the hero is racist but the racism is subtly criticized, they're not going to be easily spoken with.McCabrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09431339937327172881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-39210296934474968672015-12-07T12:10:49.181-08:002015-12-07T12:10:49.181-08:00I think the problem is in the fact that you pose t...I think the problem is in the fact that you pose the question in a binary fashion. Furthermore, there is some ambiguity in the term "anti-semitic" itself, in that if you say a person is anti-semitic, versus saying a speech or a work of art is anti-semitic, you are actually making two different kinds of statements. In the first case, you are dealing with questions of motivation and general worldview, which can only apply to an individual. In the second case, you are analyzing language and artifacts.<br /><br />If the term "anti-semitic" actually signifies something different when it refers to speech, as opposed to a person, then it is clear that we cannot use author's worldview and intention to judge whether some artifact is anti-semitic. This is especially so, given that industrially produced products may have multiple authors with conflicting worldviews.<br /><br />Therefore, I would argue that we should only be concerned with looking at the actual game artifacts, and the effects caused by the game. Games with clearly anti-semitic statements are anti-semitic. Games with coded anti-semitic statements that follow common anti-semitic tropes are likewise anti-semitic, regardless of whether the audience notices them.<br /><br />Now, you complicate things in an interesting way by also talking the effect that the artifacts have. If some artifact acts as an effective piece of racist propaganda, I feel we have to judge it is de facto racist, regardless of origin or intentions.<br /><br />Things get complicated here though, because in the social sciences, causation is almost impossible to prove. Therefore, in reality it would be very difficult to know if a game had a negative impact. I would be skeptical of an idea that something thought not to be racist actually somehow magically functions as extremely effective racist propaganda.<br /><br />Some of your other questions seem to be red herrings. Languages, for example provide the structure necessary to articulate both racism, and anti-racism. Creating societal pressure to remove racist linguistic formulations from common circulation, is an example of how language is contested, and dynamic. Expressive languages encompass all possibilities, and this is their value.<br /><br />I also feel that your examples of how communities respond to the games, are basically irrelevant to the question of whether a game is anti-semitic or racist. The only effects I would be worried about, would be if games were actually causing racism, but again this would be difficult to prove and I find it hard to believe that such works would not also be obvious works of racist propaganda when viewed without regard for the effects they are causing.<br /><br />So to sum up, for an artifact to be anti-semitic it must:<br />* express obviously anti-semetic views,<br />* express coded anti-semitic views that can be discerned as such, OR<br />* stir up anti-semitism, which in reality means it probably must express either obvious or coded anti-semitic views.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06926305067027734165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-45028849459590935132015-12-06T12:44:49.533-08:002015-12-06T12:44:49.533-08:00"Don't most of the cases you've creat..."Don't most of the cases you've created as illustrations contain their own answers? "<br /><br />Of course not. Your arguments and criteria for a work's ultimate meaning are your own, not givens for all readers or audiences.<br /><br />And, since it is so vague, it can't be used to meaningfully discuss any artwork.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-4713778826211035612015-12-06T11:53:40.368-08:002015-12-06T11:53:40.368-08:00Don't most of the cases you've created as ...Don't most of the cases you've created as illustrations contain their own answers? The reception of art is, in virtually all cases, a confluence of public opinion, critical discourse and linear time. What the author meant or felt is, as the intentional fallacy has it, only a small part of how a work of art is to be understood. One of the elements (popular opinion and critical discourse) can sway the other to a greater or lesser degree but ultimately it is still a reciprocal combination of the two. So, Lovecraft: the intent of his work- racist or not- is ultimately irrelevant if enough people take pleasure in it and choose not to take Lovecraft's racism as the predominant theme they draw from the work. Eventually, critics began to perceive things worth considering in his work too and so concede to public opinion. Joyce is almost a case in reverse: disliked by the public and censors but adored by critics, the public came to recognise his genius. Or Moby Dick. <br /><br />Obviously, as this is a nexus of the two elements (there may be more, this is a QAD argument) there is no fixed location at which those who perceive a work of art choose to take it as one thing or the other. Instead, there is a point at which a certain impasse is reached in which public opinion and critical attention meet. ricaugjnrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15495324502751931187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-30731089016703142642015-12-03T21:47:21.056-08:002015-12-03T21:47:21.056-08:00I think you could've left it at
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"...I think you could've left it at <br />"<br />"I know it when I see it" which isn't a good way to categorize.<br />"<br />and saved yourself some troubleZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-7837129563364722072015-12-03T21:44:53.994-08:002015-12-03T21:44:53.994-08:00- Content has detectable hatred for or bias agains...<br />- Content has detectable hatred for or bias against Jews. (For question 1, since the bias is undetectable in the content, it isn't antisemitic despite being written by Hitler. This doesn't apply for question 2, because if the language it was written in was deciphered, the antisemitic content would become very clear.)<br />- Content is not satire, views and tone are presented as primary or displayed without further comment (If the author makes an offhand comment about Jews and never talks about it again, it's probably antisemitic)<br /><br /><br />What DOESN'T (necessarily) make content antisemitic:<br /><br />- When it expresses views that some of or the majority of Jews disagree with.<br />- When the content is more likely to bore people of a Jewish background.<br />- Possibly controversially, when the content is prejudiced but not in a way hateful towards or biased against Jews (something odd like "All Jews like eating onions", racist but not necessarily hateful)<br />-Content IS satire that could inspire the young or stupid towards antisemitism because of perceived antisemitic message<br />-Content is written in language with racist phrases<br /><br />Oh balls. I hope that at least somewhat answers your questions.WrongOnTheInternethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307593854612561638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-27351913250601814762015-12-03T21:44:46.153-08:002015-12-03T21:44:46.153-08:00Clarifying: Intent matters, it's just hard to ...Clarifying: Intent matters, it's just hard to judge intent without content, particularly if the author is dead or unreachable. If a progressive author with no prejudicial views somehow produced an antisemitic game without intending to; I'd be shocked and have to reevaluate how the world works.<br /><br />I'm not sure if I clearly expressed that there needs to be both an Intent to produce an antisemitic work and antisemitic content for the work to be antisemitic, but I'll try to answer both your questions as best I can.<br /><br />Deciding if the content of a fiction is antisemitic using some rules based evaluation is very difficult, and I'm not sure I can do it. In terms of what's literally written, I can't present a solid definition of what antisemitic text is (I'm not sure there IS an airtight definition to be found), I can only present examples. Does the text present views that are hostile or hateful towards Jews without putting them in some sort of context, such as the game being a satire, or the viewpoint being one of many expressed, none backed as the definitive view of the text? Context in this case means the entire fiction as content, and the intent of the author so far as can be known. If a modern author used "hip hip hooray" (for example), I would say they probably aren't antisemitic, they just don't know or care about the historical context. If the content can be read as potentially antisemitic (Look! This monster resembles a Jewish stereotype! The game is antisemitic!), then it really is a grey area where we'd have to look at the author's intent. If the text is ambiguously antisemitic like with the stereotype monster above, and we can't know the author's intent; then it's impossible to say conclusively.<br /><br />The author needs to have some intention of producing an antisemitic work for that work to actually be antisemitic, though. This can either be an outspoken viewpoint, some kind of purging (like with question #2), or ignorance, but the stereotypes have to go there intentionally.<br /><br />Without knowing anything about the author's intent before reading a fiction, I think that most content could be put in the "Yes, antisemitic" or "No, not antisemitic" groups just based on the viewpoints presented in the fiction. However, I think there's going to be quite a bit of fiction that falls under "Not Known", just because it's hard to get all of the context without intent. In some cases (racial slurs, suggestions that Jews are evil) it's pretty easy to place the content alone as antisemitic. In other cases (the possibly accidental Jewish stereotype monster above) it can't be decided, at least not in a rational way.<br /><br />Some of this, unfortunately, eventually falls under "I know it when I see it" which isn't a good way to categorize. I wouldn't suggest trying to place these based on content alone when the author's intent can be known.<br /><br />I'll try and create an incomplete list of what will make content and content alone antisemitic, though:WrongOnTheInternethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307593854612561638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-90032668062128441642015-12-03T20:14:23.231-08:002015-12-03T20:14:23.231-08:00You base all your reasoning on "whether the c...You base all your reasoning on "whether the content is antisemitic"<br /><br />_Without_ circular reasoning:<br /><br />How do you decide (since we've separated off both intent and effect) whether the "content" of a fiction is antisemitic?<br /><br />A nonfiction can say "kill jews" but a fiction can only say "jews were killed". And without intent or effect how do you decide whether "it" (the text alone) is antisemitic?<br /><br />This is not a rhetorical question.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-61479194316855706752015-12-03T20:06:19.712-08:002015-12-03T20:06:19.712-08:00I'm not a big fan of the whole death of the au...I'm not a big fan of the whole death of the author stuff, but content also is important, so I'll break my judgement down based on Intent (did the author intend to produce an antisemitic game?) and Content (Is the text of the game anti-semetic? Is it detectably so?). Effect on audience, such as increasing or decreasing antisemitic attitudes or thinking that the game is antisemitic don't matter outside of the arguments said hypothetical people could provide.<br /><br />1. No. Intent is anti-semetic, but the anti-semetism can't be found in the content.<br /><br />2. Yes, but it doesn't matter. Not knowing a language is part of effect; it would be hard to produce a game with this level of antisemitic content without intending to produce an antisemitic game, but it doesn't matter, because no one can understand it.<br /><br />3. No. Intent is antisemitic (again), but antisemitism can't be found in the content.<br /><br />4. No. Intent is unknown (author is antisemitic, but did they intend to produce an anti-semetic game?) and anti-semetism can't be found in content.<br /><br />5. No. Intent is not antisemitic, neither is content. Effect, while negative, doesn't imply antisemitism.<br /><br />6. No. Intent is not antisemitic, and content is unknown. Effect doesn't matter.<br /><br />7. No. Same reasoning as 6.<br /><br />8. No, although it IS racist. Antisemitism, in this case, would be about having negative views of Jews; in this case, the author is ignorant and promotes stereotypes, but they aren't actually anti-semetic. Content is also racist.<br /><br />9. No. Intent and content aren't antisemitic.<br /><br />10. Unknown; intent of author can't be known, and content isn't known either; to say one way or the other is just jumping on someone's bandwagon without knowing the facts.<br /><br />11. No. Intent isn't there, content is unknown (although it can be inferred that the content probably isn't antisemitic either). Amount of Jewish people liking the game can only change the inference about content, which is still unknown.<br /><br />12. Unknown. I don't know the author's intent, and the content is unknown; other people's beliefs don't have an impact on whether or not this is actually antisemitic.<br /><br />13. No, intent isn't there, and content isn't there. Impact on kids who might not grasp the subtleties of the content doesn't matter so much.<br /><br />14. No, intent isn't there; content is unknown, but doesn't seem to be antisemitic. Effect doesn't matter, but is also likely caused by some other factor.<br /><br />15. No, intent isn't there, neither is content, reasoning similar to 13.<br /><br />16. No, same reasoning as above.<br /><br />17. No, same reasoning as above.<br /><br />18. No, intent certainly wasn't there, and content may seem that way, but the intent carries through in the content despite the less PC language.<br /><br />19. No, intent and content; a game that expresses a view that orthodox jews disagree with doesn't mean that a view is antisemitic.<br /><br />20. No. All languages are toolkits; the idea that a phrase that was once racist is in a language makes an entire language racist is fucking stupid. Again, no amount of jewish people will affect this claim.<br /><br />21. I'll back it with money provided the game itself is good (Well-designed by my standards). The resulting controversy will be hilarious.<br /><br />Content matters the most here, but without intent to create an antisemitic thing, it's hard to call something antisemitic. With the racist (but not antisemitic) example above, the author's obliviousness is part of intent.WrongOnTheInternethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307593854612561638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-83024933439389947052015-12-03T12:07:20.916-08:002015-12-03T12:07:20.916-08:00Assuming the questions are not rhetorical, the ans...Assuming the questions are not rhetorical, the answer to each and every one of them is: "It doesn't matter."<br /><br />An object or an idea means nothing unless people act upon it. Even then, the fault or merit is with those people rather than the inciting media or incident. I could tell people to go kill all the Jews all day long forever, but, unless someone listens, nothing has changed. <br /><br />Nice post. I really enjoyed thinking about it (though my answer might lead one to believe that I spent very little time doing so).Turd Minerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267799059449214933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-14626362694600867132015-12-03T04:17:31.312-08:002015-12-03T04:17:31.312-08:00Makes sense.Makes sense.Wizard Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07976996808553118026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-3216622250291633872015-12-03T04:07:13.703-08:002015-12-03T04:07:13.703-08:00having answers is good as it implies having though...having answers is good as it implies having thought before accusing.<br /><br />and, no, it doesn't mean anyone is rightZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-28416794613724019522015-12-03T04:04:32.626-08:002015-12-03T04:04:32.626-08:00Does this mean they are right?
I know a lot of peo...Does this mean they are right?<br />I know a lot of people with extreme ideas who (I hope) are usually not right about what is good or bad.<br /><br />I don't know if you're implying that having no clear-cut answer is good in your book or exactly the opposite.<br /><br />And if I take more specific exemples, like let's say, FATAL or Racial Holy War, I think the context doesn't make them more or less bad. They're like, objectively full of shit. I'm not really good at exemples.Wizard Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07976996808553118026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-53351943389329222932015-12-03T03:29:40.220-08:002015-12-03T03:29:40.220-08:00I think the main thing is not that I have answers,...I think the main thing is not that I have answers, but more that people who go around accusing objects of being bad think very clearly about what their answers to these questions are. <br />Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-29817934367976030352015-12-03T03:25:46.155-08:002015-12-03T03:25:46.155-08:00Sorry about that, it's not a subject I tackle ...Sorry about that, it's not a subject I tackle often.<br />I thought I corrected that, but I forgot about it, my bad.<br /><br />But yeah, I meant that, I don't think it is possible to accidentally be hateful toward someone or something. You can be awkward, and you can even hurt people (like if I ask someone "how's the wife" and she's actually dead but I didn't know), but I'm not sure this would count as spreading hatred.<br /><br />I think that's a huge reason why I don't manage to see how your exemples could be anti-semitic.<br /><br />And I'd love to hear your input if you disagree with me, that's why I posted here. <br />I now must go to a class, and I'll try to set up an internet connection there but I can't guarantee it, so I may not answer until four or five hours if I can't manage to do that.Wizard Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07976996808553118026noreply@blogger.com