tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post7004437528266455952..comments2024-03-28T22:00:35.840-07:00Comments on Playing D&D With Porn Stars: The Teachable Moment From All ThisZak Sabbathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-21548552433606066322014-07-13T23:34:26.010-07:002014-07-13T23:34:26.010-07:00I'm still confused. not that my clarity is eve...I'm still confused. not that my clarity is even wanted, so, don't worry about it. but... is the following what was meant to have happened?<br />Book People: "hey there, please give us an honest, outside take on our upcoming product."<br />Consultant: "don't need to look at it, because I can tell you right now that you gotta make it more trans-phobic."<br />Book People: "I'm not sure what that even means or how it could be accomplished... um."<br />Consultant: "Shut up and do it!"<br />Book People: "Well, you're the expert."<br /><br />honestly, it's too good not to have happened. I'm am totally down for this conspiracy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06177538062716782298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-84616305883843891232014-07-12T17:42:49.169-07:002014-07-12T17:42:49.169-07:00I believe that there was a song about this type of...I believe that there was a song about this type of behaviour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkUvmDQ3HYJoe G Kushnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02454826299896049587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-65860169781457000122014-07-12T13:45:34.967-07:002014-07-12T13:45:34.967-07:00I've been watching this mess unfold for the pa...I've been watching this mess unfold for the past few days and I just could not be silent. I'm not a Big Name Gamer; I'm just some guy who plays RPGs of a sort. (I'm so old, I thought 'Holmes' was a Brit detective.)<br /><br />I am shocked and appalled at this thuggery. You and RPGpundit are both opinionated and vocal, and that is why I read your blogs. I value your fresh and honest views, and I think you both - and your game group, too, Zak - are getting crapped on by dim-witted idiots.<br /><br />I will continue to keep reading about your adventures; they are fun to hear about. And, should you hapen to be in the Twin Cities, the door will always be open for you and your friends.<br /><br />yours, chirinechirine ba kalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15089801259918671141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-43656811338785001362014-07-12T04:07:13.229-07:002014-07-12T04:07:13.229-07:00I know if Wizards asked me to consult on the new v...I know if Wizards asked me to consult on the new version of D&D I would say yes. I think it is awesome that you had that opportunity and it is fantastic that your name will go down in prosperity in the credits of that book. Well done and good on you. I wish you all the best and am really looking forward to your new book.<br />All the best,<br />John.jbeltmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02264520619277158883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-49477444196102721362014-07-11T17:05:57.883-07:002014-07-11T17:05:57.883-07:00it's not a link I just cut and pasted him sayi...it's not a link I just cut and pasted him saying it formatting and all. I think it was in a private thread anyway maybeZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-76547925580791003972014-07-11T16:41:00.597-07:002014-07-11T16:41:00.597-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Patrick Mallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04906639025904535922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-65376956273569390142014-07-11T14:50:23.673-07:002014-07-11T14:50:23.673-07:00Rites of engagement and kidnappings seem something...Rites of engagement and kidnappings seem something you would encounter in bizarro cultures that populate Jack Vance books.Jonashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11838302056850766272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-35349218958331366472014-07-11T13:00:59.113-07:002014-07-11T13:00:59.113-07:00Also, thanks for the intercepted communique. That ...Also, thanks for the intercepted communique. That will be useful and fun.Socrates_Is_Mortalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11979487483897210762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-51519400167565895582014-07-11T12:51:34.406-07:002014-07-11T12:51:34.406-07:00I came across this the other day and it seemed to ...I came across this the other day and it seemed to apply to this brouhaha:<br />http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99449/3779149-no+you+move+cap+says.jpg <br /><br />I also liked the idea of Zak and Captain America standing tree-like, side-by-side and saying to the tellers of lies, "No, you move."Socrates_Is_Mortalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11979487483897210762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-65907211199712937832014-07-11T12:33:55.984-07:002014-07-11T12:33:55.984-07:00I like your blog. Have a cool summer.I like your blog. Have a cool summer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-72299059256143150002014-07-11T08:31:35.219-07:002014-07-11T08:31:35.219-07:00I have read Problematicists who would care about t...I have read Problematicists who would care about that and think it mattered and I have read Problematicists who would not.<br /><br />Ben Lehman (even before he made up fake rape threats) said of George RR Martin:<br /><br />"He is pretty much like "women should be raped to make them docile.""<br /><br />https://plus.google.com/117301572585814320386/posts/6qHf396vEhb<br /><br />…i.e. he interpreted A Song of Ice And Fire _as a nonfiction book of advice_ and people he knew kept talking to him after that.<br /><br />This is the kind of thing I mean about the indie game community cleaning out it's closet.<br /><br />And if they decide instead "hey, no, actually we think this isn't the most insane interpretation of a crappy fantasy novel I have ever read and we are totally ok with that" then that's fine, too. Just say that so the rest of us know to stay a few thousand feet away at all times.<br /><br />And George RR Martin will know to hire a bodyguard next time he's near a game convention.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-34103172519598290452014-07-11T08:16:43.738-07:002014-07-11T08:16:43.738-07:00Just FYI: Rape is not nearly as present in the boo...Just FYI: Rape is not nearly as present in the books as it is in the TV show. For example, Danaerys is not raped by Drogo in the books, and that alone drastically changes the dynamic of their relationship.<br /><br />It's unfortunate that the TV series has gone in that direction, but rape-apology is not actually GRRM's thing. Rape exists in his world, and there are rapists who serve on the Wall, but rape isn't depicted in a soft light.Mortainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04164332589347394628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-78200543881384858282014-07-11T07:01:58.828-07:002014-07-11T07:01:58.828-07:00Ok.Ok.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-70726904543622090442014-07-11T06:20:52.152-07:002014-07-11T06:20:52.152-07:00Zak, I wasn't aware of a lot of this history a...Zak, I wasn't aware of a lot of this history and material. I know we rarely agree and that we have some issues, but thank you for this post and for your honesty. I know I have been wrong about some stuff and some of my opinions have since changed. I'm not posting this to invite an argument - I just wanted to thank you for the information and for your efforts in logging the history. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371081290350211755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-605835175189003302014-07-11T05:01:56.240-07:002014-07-11T05:01:56.240-07:00There is, as you predict, a non-disclosure agreeme...There is, as you predict, a non-disclosure agreement so Zak cannot talk about his contributions.thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-57869663664121001082014-07-11T04:56:21.174-07:002014-07-11T04:56:21.174-07:00I'd pay good money to have a book subtitled &q...I'd pay good money to have a book subtitled "By the man who made the internet scream". Of course, I'll buy Red and Pleasant Land for good money too, looks awesome.Haxarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08885623431778182605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-58639757809547633702014-07-11T02:47:11.022-07:002014-07-11T02:47:11.022-07:00There is an aggressive Problematicalness Brigade c...There is an aggressive Problematicalness Brigade critique of game of thrones.<br /><br />I mean: people wanna be those people--ok.<br /><br />They wanna drag me into it: oh hell no.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-82602036331706865112014-07-11T02:40:16.848-07:002014-07-11T02:40:16.848-07:00I wonder what they think of Game of Thrones (TV an...I wonder what they think of Game of Thrones (TV and book)? How is rape, or some other upsetting act, ok in some media and not in this one? Naivety is such a comfortable world.Flynnkdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11478924902458737743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-62271639044461296022014-07-11T01:19:04.799-07:002014-07-11T01:19:04.799-07:00The new book looks absolutly awesome! Can't wa...The new book looks absolutly awesome! Can't wait for it! Go on, Zak! Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16936874766468598377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-45580370378867298392014-07-10T22:30:55.279-07:002014-07-10T22:30:55.279-07:00Totally not on point here, but I just wanted to co...Totally not on point here, but I just wanted to compliment you on those illustrations. Man that's some cool looking stuff! I just love the way your inks look. <br /><br />Okay, you guys can go back to being serious. Dyvershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06032957275132817602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-19663819873499332892014-07-10T22:08:40.905-07:002014-07-10T22:08:40.905-07:00I think inclusive text about gender can comfort yo...I think inclusive text about gender can comfort young trans people--especially in isolated communities.<br />If I imagine I was 10 or 11 or a teenager and nobody around me knew the word "trans" I would be very happy to see something like that--and it costs nobody else anything.<br /><br />As for the specific wording--I would have run it by some trans people I know first and asked them.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-77468915229159155672014-07-10T22:02:43.114-07:002014-07-10T22:02:43.114-07:00Zak, I like you and know you can take care of you ...Zak, I like you and know you can take care of you and yours. I did finally break down and post a defence of you over at Tenkar's because I've been writing it in my head for two days.<br /><br />However, this is what I'm truly concerned about:<br /><br /><i>…I could go away tomorrow and James D could go away tomorrow, and James Raggi and the RPGPundit every other polarizing figure and this will just keep happening, because of all the nice people in gaming who don't ever want to get to the bottom of anything they consider important and divisive like how to deal with sex or race or violence or rape culture in games, until they have someone they don't already know to talk about it with (or, more likely, at).</i><br /><br />and I'm not nearly as sanguine as you about their motivations and how to cure them. There is a certain breed of social justice type who cannot let anything in the world ever exist until they've bowed to the outrage of the day (or should that be the two minute hate). I know video gamers who complain about how you can't talk about games anymore without a version of the art conversation you ranted about long ago (and I believe linked above). They've been turning the Big Purple that way and you can see it in a couple of threads about D&D 5 already (ones that don't involve you). On the right they are described with the saying, "you will be made to care". <br /><br />I see what is going on here as being made in elf games. It won't be "do you allow gay/trans/etc players and/or characters" but "why don't you point that out as an option". My opinion on the inclusion text is I'm not sure it was needed not because there aren't bigots in the world but it seems to me that kind of bigotry lost its purchase in the RPG world when the streamroller called the World of Darkness came to town. I'm not objecting to it either. I do wonder if some people think they can now rules lawyer such bigots if they encounter them (the same way rules were supposed to eliminate dick GMs). I also know that posting that opinion will be used by people as evidence I hate gay people/trans people/etc (and the ect is evidence too that I don't care and not that I can't figure out tomorrow's cause of the day).<br /><br />That's why I'm worried about all this. I know you and The Pundit can take care of yourselves. However, I also know this is probably just a test run for "making RPGs safe".<br /><br />Finally, one last note that somewhat relates. In the past month what kind of person Marion Zimmerman Bradley was, which was at least partially public and partially suspected, came roaring out in public. DragonCon has a similar issue (which, in all honesty, they had been working on for over a decade before they could legally sever all ties) and its back up for discussion. Being silent about things when it's your friends while attacking outsiders can bite you in the ass, badly. Do I think we have rapists (of children at that) hiding among "the good people" because they want talk about it? No. Do I think they're creating the kind of environment that could wind up there because they only talk about it when it's people they hate? Yes, I do.Pulp Herbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02486803457210325703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-81349042307302060822014-07-10T21:53:52.774-07:002014-07-10T21:53:52.774-07:00Vincent, at least, has talked about rape in Poison...Vincent, at least, has talked about rape in Poison'd at some length: http://lumpley.com/index.php/anyway/thread/619<br /><br />Some folks on SA were a little het up about it.<br /><br />There is also this, from the mini-kerfuffle earlier this year over Circle of Hands:<br />http://indie-rpgs.com/adept/index.php?topic=303.0X the Owlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06504602654591485949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-57204803432155504412014-07-10T21:51:59.409-07:002014-07-10T21:51:59.409-07:00Book looks incredible!
And great post. Gonna hav...Book looks incredible!<br /><br />And great post. Gonna have to read it a few times to get the thing in my head all proper-like. <br /><br />Keep up the good fight. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386659288629497269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-15735388462635981642014-07-10T21:47:30.427-07:002014-07-10T21:47:30.427-07:00Hi Zak. You are strongly opinionated - which brin...Hi Zak. You are strongly opinionated - which brings out the trolls on the internet. I do like that you defend your opinions.<br />However, I would love to read a post where you tell us what advice you gave WotC towards 5e (if no NDA...). I don't have to agree with your opinions, but I do like to see how the game I love is being shaped by by other's perspectives.<br />After all, it is the unknown/ignorance that breeds these trolls. Banesfingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938723674120202818noreply@blogger.com