tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post231297527782989983..comments2024-03-28T22:00:35.840-07:00Comments on Playing D&D With Porn Stars: Fight The GagacracyZak Sabbathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-28761873229724231812011-03-25T11:06:59.808-07:002011-03-25T11:06:59.808-07:00@Robert
if you're ok with that trade-off, the...@Robert<br /><br />if you're ok with that trade-off, then get the hell away from me.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-20696169803912984312011-03-25T10:52:20.337-07:002011-03-25T10:52:20.337-07:00Without IP, you make less art. Even if that’s true...Without IP, you make less art. Even if that’s true, I’m perfectly OK with that trade-off. I’m not sure that I believe in <i>no</i> IP laws, but I feel what we currently have is too restrictive and wrong.<br /><br />My experience fits with Baen Books’, though. Counter-intuitive though it may be.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733274876782876659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-26578579811592457222011-03-23T08:02:23.995-07:002011-03-23T08:02:23.995-07:00I'm with Zak. Any doubts I had about the neces...I'm with Zak. Any doubts I had about the necessity of some sort of IP law were resolved by Jaron Lanier's book "You Are Not A Gadget". He shows point by point how "IP wants to be free" quickly leads to a world where there's much less art created.Restitutor Orbishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05625086532637410710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-55669764760618264692011-03-11T09:00:37.924-08:002011-03-11T09:00:37.924-08:00@mmasentodt
The point is, under the current regim...@mmasentodt<br /><br />The point is, under the current regime, if you don't have IP you make less art or starve to death.<br /><br />Solve that one for Jennifer or be quiet.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-58121061918431002422011-03-11T07:08:07.550-08:002011-03-11T07:08:07.550-08:00Wait, you're saying that there's an altern...Wait, you're saying that there's an alternative way to deal with rapists and other criminals than using the current system? What is it? Vigilantism? Loudly telling people off? Letting them get away with it?Arthurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082868759668427041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-30931729983143777402011-03-11T05:22:12.395-08:002011-03-11T05:22:12.395-08:00@ Zak
I don't have a transitional plan per se...@ Zak<br /><br />I don't have a transitional plan per se. I think that, in every cause, the means have to be consistent with the desired end for a goal to be reached. Because my end goal is the decentralization of power, I think that any plan imposed from above would be detrimental, not least because a free market in ideas will produce better solutions than I can.<br /><br />Having said that, I can think of a number of actions that people are taking that are advancing the cause. On the side of defeating IP schemes, these include educational efforts, file sharing, and use of proxy services like Tor. On the side of finding ways for artists to be successful without relying upon IP, there is (as I'd guess you know at least as well as I) much on-going experimentation with subscriptions, chip-in's, etc. I think these actions and many others help, to various degrees, in delegitimizing IP and building workable alternatives.<br /><br />While I reject the legitimacy of the existing system of courts and prisons, I can certainly understand people trying to use existing legal methods of obtaining justice. I don't hold any grudge against people using what means are available for dealing with rapists and other criminals but, at the same time, I do work to educate them that (1) the current paradigm is completely broken and, at least as often as not, works against the cause of justice, and (2) that there are alternatives that hold the potential for doing a much better job.<br /><br />I do see a difference between the case of a rapist assaulting a child and the case of Lady Gaga copying another person's artistic expression. That is, while I do think a person can justly claim ownership of their life and liberty, I don't think that anyone can justly claim ownership of an idea or an expression thereof. Thus, while I understand the rape victim seeking whatever justice they can find in the courts, it's harder for me to condone any legal action taken by Jessica, since I think whatever rights she might claim have been aggrieved are artificial ones granted by a corrupt and broken system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-83482850202194818552011-03-10T23:35:06.319-08:002011-03-10T23:35:06.319-08:00@Nagora
Andy Warhol was just a guy with a day jo...@Nagora <br /><br />Andy Warhol was just a guy with a day job once, you know. Doing, hey, exactly what the soup can guy was doing. Kind of a different story.huthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16502682297320819595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-75684454413247007562011-03-10T18:30:29.439-08:002011-03-10T18:30:29.439-08:00Yes, Crass, exactly. People who are mad at Crass f...Yes, Crass, exactly. People who are mad at Crass for trying to be the people who are continuing to profit off the recordings they made, and people who think "fairs fair" regarding Multinauts and Gaga, are cut from the same cloth. And they are both wrong. <br /><br />It is REALLY funny that a song about being "born this way," is so absolutely constructed.The Cramphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05278933189696141920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-45140914168184312532011-03-10T17:16:09.462-08:002011-03-10T17:16:09.462-08:00@maasentodt
So you have no transition plan?
In l...@maasentodt<br /><br />So you have no transition plan?<br /><br />In light of that, my current attitude towards IP in this particular narrow case (Gaga V. Jennifer) punishes the wicked, rich person and rewards the just, poor person, so I am sticking with it.<br /><br />Like: if I didn't believe in taxes but I could send someone to prison on tax evasion after they raped a girl scout and got away with it, I'd do it. Fuck principle.<br /><br />Until utopia comes, we all gotta make do with the justice we got.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-11453059474128178812011-03-10T17:11:16.336-08:002011-03-10T17:11:16.336-08:00@ Zak
I don't think that abandoning the conce...@ Zak<br /><br />I don't think that abandoning the concept of "intellectual property" requires a utopia, but simply a recognition that it is primarily a means by which plutocrats plunder the public. That recognition may or may not come before the decentralizing nature of advancing technology renders the enforcement of IP law to be futile (I would guess the latter). Either way, I think it's not only possible, but something that we may well see in our lifetime.<br /><br />I think there many methods by which content creators can continue to operate (even as a full time profession) in a world sans IP, but I wouldn't suggest that the transition would be easy for everyone, nor that everyone would be successful in making that transition. However, I don't think that the possible lack of future success of any individual or group of individuals in a given business can justify the continuation of any injustice - all the more so when that injustice punishes as many peopole as current IP schemes do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-16107885514827361472011-03-10T10:02:19.723-08:002011-03-10T10:02:19.723-08:00@temujin9
Counter-arguments I got no problem with...@temujin9<br /><br />Counter-arguments I got no problem with, even "strongly-worded" ones.<br /><br />Inaccuracy I have a huge problem with, and insults against innocent people I have an extremely huge problem with.<br /><br />If a person says "I think x because of y" and you say "You actually are just claiming to think x for motive z" then you are accusing that person of lying. It is a direct insult, and you have no evidence to back it up.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-78556035311301853332011-03-10T09:44:42.976-08:002011-03-10T09:44:42.976-08:00@gregor
Have you watched the entire Multinauts se...@gregor<br /><br />Have you watched the entire Multinauts series?Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-57813581721839136962011-03-10T09:42:21.227-08:002011-03-10T09:42:21.227-08:00@maasentodt
We do not live in a utopia, but the c...@maasentodt<br /><br />We do not live in a utopia, but the current sytem works like this:<br /><br />no IP law means the artist has no money, no money means the artist gets a day job (to eat), day job means the artist makes less art PLUS if the artist does make art she's accused of copying the rich, already popular artist who has popularized her ideas.<br /><br />So, in the current non-utopia and in Jennifer's case: less IP = less art.<br /><br />If you have a scheme by which our non-utopia can be instantly converted into a utopia, or by which, at least locally, Jennifer's art ideas help her (i.e. allow her to make more work) rather than HURT her (i.e. waste a year and a half making something which will now only be seen as derivative of Lady Gaga videos and make art-distribution and reimbursement power centers less likely to want to show her) than both I and her are all ears.<br /><br />I like Crass. I let people use my pictures in all kinds of ways without paying me, but I do not let plutocrats do it. Not even for a second.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-41748045430337420682011-03-10T05:08:34.792-08:002011-03-10T05:08:34.792-08:00I've never watched Multinauts before and I'...I've never watched Multinauts before and I've seen almost nothing about Lady Gaga other than a interview by Barbara Walters. I am not vested in any way with either side.<br /><br />I think it is very poor form for one person to intentionally duplicate another person's work without being willing to acknowledge the latter's influence. To the extent that Lady Gaga has done this, I think she deserves to be criticized and perhaps boycotted.<br /><br />I do not think that ideas or expressions thereof can be owned. I don't think copying is theft. I think that "intellectual property" laws are nothing but grants of monopoly enforced at the public's expense. I think these laws do more to stifle innovation than encourage it. I think that, as with many laws, their primary effect is to concentrate wealth in the hands of the wealthy. For these reasons, I think legal protections of "IP" are unjust.<br /><br />Jennifer should be acknowledged for her work and I hope that, should she wish to do so, she can find a means to profit by it. I don't think she is entitled to any profit or exclusivity for her creation, all the more so when that entitlement comes at our expense of those who've not agreed to grant it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-54021679546834100852011-03-10T03:18:19.579-08:002011-03-10T03:18:19.579-08:00I'm sorry but I don't see it. This isn'...I'm sorry but I don't see it. This isn't an accusation or anything like that. I just don't see it. <br /><br />Art is hardly original, even when it is. This isn't a postmodern "everything is a ripoff" argument. I have created so many things in isolation only to later discover someone else had done things that were freakishly similar to my own work you could have called them a ripoff.<br /><br />Looking at the videos I only see at most two elements that are *superficially similar*. Vague enough to be accidental.<br /><br />Now, I'm all for justice and respecting intellectual property and stuff and if it was "stolen" it would be only right for Gaga's TEAM (as if she makes her own videos, are you kidding me?) to acknowledge it and maybe to give Jeniffer some money or maybe hire the Multinauts team. Yes, I'm ALL for that. If.<br /><br />The problem is, I simply do not see the "blatant" copying that people are ranting about. I simply don't, sorry.Gregor Vugahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10290626264301416468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-91898210579474744462011-03-10T01:20:45.571-08:002011-03-10T01:20:45.571-08:00Lady Kaka will probably never willingly pay Jenife...Lady Kaka will probably never willingly pay Jenifer, but I'm dead sure she had to fork over some bucks to Madonna as " born this way" is basically "express yourself" all over again.<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/4dx4lx2<br /><br />No wonder lady Kaka she said it took her only ten minutes to write it, the song was already written over twenty years ago.crowkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03066821931343968827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-54939768376031934112011-03-09T21:27:32.342-08:002011-03-09T21:27:32.342-08:00If it is a marketing ploy, mad props.If it <i>is</i> a marketing ploy, mad props.huthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16502682297320819595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-12341650275889968862011-03-09T20:31:23.419-08:002011-03-09T20:31:23.419-08:00@temujin9
accusing Jennifer of making these accus...@temujin9<br /><br />accusing Jennifer of making these accusations as a marketing ploy is questioning her motives and gets you deleted.<br /><br />You want to pull that on her blog, go ahead, but I won't host bullshit here. If you like lying, you have the whole rest of the internet to lie on.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-65460142342231254962011-03-09T17:20:28.366-08:002011-03-09T17:20:28.366-08:00I like her music and work, even this video - but t...I like her music and work, even this video - but this is really fucking disappointing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!Scott McDanielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14784512280463618670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-30859011851234762192011-03-09T17:05:45.436-08:002011-03-09T17:05:45.436-08:00I think lady kaka has official jumped the shark, t...I think lady kaka has official jumped the shark, that video is truly terrible. Jen Stratford should honestly look to legal council cause she might just have a chance. A little over ten years ago Madonna ripped of the photoworks of french photographer Guy Bourdin for one of her videos, that she got her ass royally sued and had to pay out a cool million to his estate.crowkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03066821931343968827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-80163388756919957302011-03-09T16:59:32.324-08:002011-03-09T16:59:32.324-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.crowkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03066821931343968827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-29676137419441849532011-03-09T16:42:02.246-08:002011-03-09T16:42:02.246-08:00Posted to Facebook. Intellectual property rights ...Posted to Facebook. Intellectual property rights do matter, especially given that the original artist has spoken out.<br /><br />@ravenconspiracy: THANKS for the link, Dungeon Majesty does indeed RULE!<br /><br />@Spawn: Yes, what few Gaga videos I've seen suggest that she is quite deliberately ripping off, er, repurposing Madonna's work in a big way. Maybe not such a big deal to Madge, though, I don't suppose.Carter Soleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286436801953647693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-62173512766961508782011-03-09T16:37:44.305-08:002011-03-09T16:37:44.305-08:00@chris
I do, but I don't see how that fantast...@chris<br /><br />I do, but I don't see how that fantastically popular opinion should start a shitstorm. (Nor do I see what that has to do with the situation here: a rich artist stealing from a poor one.)Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-21225068631538827932011-03-09T16:31:04.832-08:002011-03-09T16:31:04.832-08:00The song itself is basically lifted directly from ...The song itself is basically lifted directly from Madonna (Express Yourself). I'd guess maybe she's doing all this blatant plagiarism fully consciously, for whatever reason, post-modern or otherwise.Spawn of Endrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10431848914619887998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-5926935347640030542011-03-09T15:56:08.316-08:002011-03-09T15:56:08.316-08:00@Zak: You're a man with strong opinions about ...<b>@Zak:</b> You're a man with strong opinions about art and the place of the artist as autonomous agent. I imagined the idea of 'the artist pandering to the requirements of a philistine with money' would be one you regard with displeasure.<br /><br />/end derailmentChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072272223837426211noreply@blogger.com