tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post1135150624308410419..comments2024-03-28T22:00:35.840-07:00Comments on Playing D&D With Porn Stars: Dear Daniel Fox / Zweihander Guy,Zak Sabbathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-843551290868478272021-03-30T08:45:14.426-07:002021-03-30T08:45:14.426-07:00I have no choice: all good people answer questions...I have no choice: all good people answer questions.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-80626965525788298582021-03-30T08:44:19.075-07:002021-03-30T08:44:19.075-07:00Thanks very much for your responses.Thanks very much for your responses.engenderedopinionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-67277066431275995972021-03-30T08:40:13.530-07:002021-03-30T08:40:13.530-07:00@engenderedopinion
"Do you feel like a legal...@engenderedopinion<br /><br />"Do you feel like a legal victory will let you participate in this industry again?"<br /><br />I don't know and it's not my primary concern. My concern is to get my life back and hold all the people responsible for the smear accountable so they can never hurt another innocent person again.<br /><br />"Are you able to produce your own work, somehow?"<br /><br />No.<br /><br />"Do you feel like Koebel could have saved himself with a quick and sincere apology?"<br /><br />No.<br /><br />"Why hasn't anything been done to the bystanders? "<br /><br />The tabletop RPG sphere is more invested in cannibalizing their own than people in adjacent spheres.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-92076885998437038612021-03-30T08:35:41.218-07:002021-03-30T08:35:41.218-07:00Do you feel like a legal victory will let you part...Do you feel like a legal victory will let you participate in this industry again?<br /><br />Are you able to produce your own work, somehow?<br /><br />Do you feel like Koebel could have saved himself with a quick and sincere apology? I don't. Why hasn't anything been done to the bystanders? There was the smug dude who leaned back in his chair and smirked and metaphorically munched popcorn while it was happening. There was the contemplative guy rubbing his face almost immediately, "Well, it's been a wild ride." There was the visibly pissed off, yet silent, woman who said nothing the whole time, but was able to muster enough courage to say, "Let us kill this creep!" Three other players, and presumably a producer, watched this, knowingly, in real time. The victim was in apparent (visible) shock... It was a cringey video on so many levels, but not just on Adam's behalf.engenderedopinionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-87630234119060952372021-03-30T07:28:05.568-07:002021-03-30T07:28:05.568-07:00@engenderedopinion
-Why insist on non-anonymous p...@engenderedopinion<br /><br />-Why insist on non-anonymous posts?<br /><br />Because without a persistent identity, there's no accountability and with no accountability you can't have a conversation. Simple example:<br /><br />Anon "Vampire The Masquerade causes brain damage"<br />Blog owner "It does not. Provide proof"<br />(Anon fucks off, you never hear from them again--or do you?)<br /><br />If the person has a persistent identity then you can ban that identity if they don't participate in good faith, which means they have to have a grown-up conversation like a sane human being: give evidence, answer questions,etc. Otherwise their comments cease appearing and the old ones can be erased.<br /><br />They can't influence people with opinions that aren't backed by fact.<br /><br />-"Mike Mearls is off twitter" How is that a(n effective) defense against these tactics?<br /><br />It's not an effective defense, its just evidence that he's already been hurt. He's a less viable target because they already took a huge chunk out of his hide.<br /><br />-"doesn't promote their work with their own name (Mork Borg)" How do they go about doing this, and how is this a defense?<br /><br />It dangles less of a red flag in front of the bull. It is not a complete defense, but it is less tempting to them.<br /><br />-"In ten years this will seem quaint: everyone who produces indie RPG content will be anonymous to avoid this kind of thing." How does one go about doing that? How does that integrate with conventions, contracts, etc.?<br /><br />Ask Skerples.<br /><br />-"professional gatekeepers" Does it cost them money to keep unpopular people on their platforms, or just time handling complaints?<br /><br />They risk being themselves being targeted and called abusers if they don't follow the mob.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-22111058198416633192021-03-30T07:10:29.755-07:002021-03-30T07:10:29.755-07:00Your blog, your rules, but why are you so insisten...Your blog, your rules, but why are you so insistent on non-anonymous posts?<br /><br />"Mike Mearls is off twitter" How is that a(n effective) defense against these tactics?<br /><br />"doesn't promote their work with their own name (Mork Borg)" How do they go about doing this, and how is this a defense?<br /><br />"In ten years this will seem quaint: everyone who produces indie RPG content will be anonymous to avoid this kind of thing." How does one go about doing that? How does that integrate with conventions, contracts, etc.?<br /><br />"professional gatekeepers" Does it cost them money to keep unpopular people on their platforms, or just time handling complaints?<br /><br />engenderedopinionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-72484417650618475662021-03-29T18:03:55.821-07:002021-03-29T18:03:55.821-07:00@anon
No anonymous comments.
In the future maybe...@anon<br /><br />No anonymous comments.<br /><br />In the future maybe everyone will be anonymous--it would seem to make sense. They wouldn't comment here.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-7736445664568822052021-03-29T11:49:11.556-07:002021-03-29T11:49:11.556-07:00@anon
no anonymous comments@anon<br /><br />no anonymous commentsZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-44587646150970245162021-01-27T11:01:41.825-08:002021-01-27T11:01:41.825-08:00@perpsononiaz
Erased. no harassment allowef@perpsononiaz<br /><br />Erased. no harassment allowefZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-70498776698129076032021-01-20T23:35:02.199-08:002021-01-20T23:35:02.199-08:00I don’t anyone who plays that game. I think it’s r...I don’t anyone who plays that game. I think it’s rip off<br />Of lotfp ᶘ ᵒ㉨ᵒᶅ Rusty Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04134726122122816541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-53784780181215978992021-01-11T03:18:16.095-08:002021-01-11T03:18:16.095-08:00@Anon
Erased-- no anonymous comments.
@Anon<br /><br />Erased-- no anonymous comments.<br />Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-43820526062143297752021-01-10T07:38:57.408-08:002021-01-10T07:38:57.408-08:00@FB
Quite possible. I haven't checked.
The p...@FB<br /><br />Quite possible. I haven't checked.<br /><br />The problem for the hatemob in general is that since their entire way of talking is always based on claiming not that their accusation is true because of facts but because it's true because they have less power than the victim of their accusation, that doesn't transfer well into actually becoming the person with influence or a successful game. This is why so many people hate on Swordsfall-guy: he can't really effectively portray himself as a victim. Meanwhile someone like Daniel Sell or Chris McDowall can only really avoid being cancelled themselves by being anonymous white sheets, men who can't possibly be a target because they're so boring--but its equally hard to get attention that way.<br /><br />People don't really buy things just because they follow your attempts to hurt people--those followers are literally there -only for the cancellations-. Likewise: Zweihander guy probably can't cancel them because his fans are there for Zweihander or to try to be his friend, not because they have a zeal for cancellations--different audiences want different things. Porn accounts can have hundreds of thousands of followers but they can't make people vote.<br /><br />Ettin and Ash Kreider were very successful in stirring up hate against their victims, and after that they'd both go (more or less subtly) "Hey buy my stuff" but basically people don't want it that badly.<br /><br />You only need, like, 10-20 zealots to cancel someone, and maybe 100 casual morons willing to retweet any gibberish they come across. You need a thousand people ready to hand over money regularly to have a career.<br /><br />So they all sit around cancelling each other and preventing anyone from climbing out of the pit and the white dudes at WOTC and Path who've been there for 15 years or more just shrug and go "ok, good".<br /><br /> Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-20967976973188789972021-01-10T07:23:46.665-08:002021-01-10T07:23:46.665-08:00I'll point out here that 4chan's rpg secti...I'll point out here that 4chan's rpg section is very, very proud of their piracy. Zweihander guy is one of the few people that puts in effort to track down when his games get pirated, and report it to the various servers that they upload them to, so that their stashes of games get pulled down. This causes them to hate him with a great zeal. (In addition to all the standard reasons 4chan is awful.)<br />So, by tapping into that anger, the circle of sacred crackpots and so forth is also rewarding people who would never bother supporting them financially.FloatyBoatsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-36632879342346502412021-01-09T23:19:22.988-08:002021-01-09T23:19:22.988-08:00@Goblin
Well everyone has time on their hands--th...@Goblin<br /><br />Well everyone has time on their hands--the whole "Oh do something instead of comment on the internet" is not a real thing. I know bestselling novelists who still have time to socialize.<br /><br />That's the real problem: as far as I can tell, this is their main social outlet.<br /><br />These are my guesses based on what I've seen"<br /><br />They harass other people all the time not because they have some special ideological zeal (though they think they do) but simply because -this group of jackasses they met grousing about other gamers is the closes thing they have to real-life circle of friends-.<br /><br />There are other games involved besides Troika, but that's probably the most successful, or Mothership. I don't know the numbers.<br /><br />They don't have an endgoal--they just have friends and want to side with their friends.<br /><br />That's also a problem: When you have a goal that you agree on (Like "The purpose of this space is to improve everyone's experience playing games") then you can judge someone's behavior based on whether it moves oyu toward or away from that goal. But the problem with them (as with the postForge storygames types, Something Awful, the reddits, all the other cliques, really) is the group is -so much- a social club that the real purpose of the group becomes the group itself. The purpose of the group is to make people inside the group comfortable.<br /><br />This allows them to atyack anyone outside the group without disturbing their (unspoken) goal and allows them to judge any internecine conflict according to the rule "Kick out whoever's most disruptive".<br /><br />So: no goal but a continuous state of comfort.<br /><br />I think, in their mind, a real "world without opponents" would, realistically include no WOTC or HAsbro (which would be fine by me, but hardly up there with Trumpco, Rupert Murdoch, The Kochs and Blackwater in terms of my anticorporate priorities.) which would mean they themselves were among the most popular game companies. I don't thinkt hey have that utopian vision, realistically<br /><br /> They have just narrowed their social life down to appeasing each other, and they've bonded over hating outgroups and games, and so when one of them gets a xenophobic bug up their ass about an Outsider, they go after them.<br /><br />I suspect there's a certain amount of glee in having a sphere where they can hurt someone or have an immediate effect, but that's ascribing sadism. They don't usually go -quite- so far as to say that, but some people do.<br /><br />I feel much more on solid ground when I say thinking seems to pain them. They really don't want to consider all the implications of the things they say or that their victims say--they will outright claim you are trying to exhaust them just by saying what you think.<br /><br />I can't imagine how difficult life would be if explaining yourself -took effort- but that is apparently the life they lead. Must make ordering a pizza very traumatic.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-64308652562364661392021-01-09T22:47:30.111-08:002021-01-09T22:47:30.111-08:00Informative post. I've seen a few of these fac...Informative post. I've seen a few of these faces in various corners and replies and I always wondered just how much time they have on their hands to tweet so relentlessly. Besides Troika they don't really have a claim to fame, or do they? <br /><br />What I wonder is what their endgoal to all of this is? Suppose they had their way everytime and all "opponents" of theirs were struck by lightning, would they find some semblance of happiness? Would they eat each other? Would they have enough time to actually sit down to play a RPG? I do not know. Goblinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-89045897898800300122021-01-09T20:19:56.499-08:002021-01-09T20:19:56.499-08:00@Anon
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-No anonymous comments
-No persona...@Anon<br /><br />Deleted:<br />-No anonymous comments<br />-No personal attacks<br />-No misogyny<br />If you'd like to comment, remedy the first and apologize for the other two.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-12547883539866524912021-01-08T17:28:51.517-08:002021-01-08T17:28:51.517-08:00Depressing.Depressing.Trent Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-53566528460581380802021-01-08T15:50:05.846-08:002021-01-08T15:50:05.846-08:00@CastlesMadeOfSand
I had a secret policy of--when...@CastlesMadeOfSand<br /><br />I had a secret policy of--whenever someone got attacked on Something Awful or Your Dungeon Is Suck--I wrote about how much I liked their work and linked to their blog.<br /><br />Of course if I told anyone someone would game the system, so I didn't. They all joined in on trashng me.<br /><br />Anyway: your 3 requirements seem like they'd be fulfilled if you went around forums posting reviews of creators that are being attacked--and stuck around to fact-check any bullshit you got for it.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-1576586132436739292021-01-08T15:45:30.955-08:002021-01-08T15:45:30.955-08:00quantifying it.. 2 things
1. Something tangible to...quantifying it.. 2 things<br />1. Something tangible to stand behind<br /><br />2. it has to come from a point of view of creation not more destruction, there's enough of that going on. I feel like the blogs are something that does that, create something new and cool.<br /><br />3. a clear "line of action" or.. uhm what are the right words, seeing a path to something good. something that's beneficial and not at the expense of others.CastlesMadeOfSandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-29662732174367815322021-01-08T13:32:24.554-08:002021-01-08T13:32:24.554-08:00@castlesmadeofsand
You can answer better than me:...@castlesmadeofsand<br /><br />You can answer better than me: what would make -you- take action?Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2638993969706011706.post-37654407674822580452021-01-08T13:30:22.917-08:002021-01-08T13:30:22.917-08:00Do you think a reaction movement even if rather sm...Do you think a reaction movement even if rather small and underground will form towards all this craziness or are we stuck in this limboCastlesMadeOfSandnoreply@blogger.com